THE HON TANYA PLIBERSEK MP
DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
SHADOW MINISTER FOR EDUCATION AND TRAINING
SHADOW MINISTER FOR WOMEN
MEMBER FOR SYDNEY
THURSDAY 1 MARCH 2018
SUBJECTS: Sexist comments made by Senator Cash.
CHRISSIE SWAN, PRESENTER: Hey Pang what do you want to hear? Do you want to hear about MAFS? Or do you want to hear about Bachelor in Paradise? Or do you want to talk to Tanya Plibersek?
SAM PANG, PRESENTER: Oh I'll go with Tanya.
SWAN: Let's go with Tanya. Welcome Tanya.
TANYA PLIBERSEK MP, DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION: Great to be with you.
SWAN: Great to be with you. I'm a big fan of you, lady.
PLIBERSEK: I'm a big fan of you too so there you go. Mutual.
SWAN: Fabulous. Can I tell you we were so shocked by this. I'm going to play some audio.
[Clip of Michaelia Cash]
SWAN: Hearing that again, Tanya, does it make your blood boil?
PLIBERSEK: It makes me feel a bit queasy actually. I really think it's such an unfair thing for a person as powerful as the Minister to use the cover of Parliamentary privilege to undermine the reputation of these young women, working hard, 14, 16 hour days, smart, dedicated to their jobs, and hearing that sort of 1950’s nonsense, it does make my blood boil. It's a pretty blokey environment Parliament House so those of us who have worked here a long time are pretty used to this sort of rubbish, but it makes it particularly bad when it comes from a Minister under the cover of Parliamentary privilege.
SWAN: And previously the Minister for Women, I mean it’s incredibly ironic.
PLIBERSEK: Yeah, you think she'd know better, wouldn't you?
SWAN: Incredibly ironic.
PLIBERSEK: And she used to be the Minister for Women, she's giving these young women a hard time. She now the Minister for Jobs. She's giving them a hard time for doing their jobs.
SWAN: It's most unusual. Penny Wong was not having a bar of it, and she swept in and just squashed the whole thing. Have a listen to this.
[Clip of Penny Wong]
SWAN: Which she did. Is she going to, is she -
PLIBERSEK: I would have too. If you saw the look on Penny's face I would have done anything she told me to!
PLIBERSEK: She’s a bit terrifying isn't she, in full flight!
SWAN: Absolutely. So eloquent and to the point. Just wonderful.
PLIBERSEK: Absolutely. Yep.
SWAN: Michaelia Cash did, it looked begrudging to me, she did the “sorry, not sorry”, like if I offended anybody I apologise.
PLIBERSEK: No it was absolutely “sorry, not sorry”. It's not on. She should have just said ‘I'm sorry’. She should have realised right then that she'd done the wrong thing and just got over the pride and said sorry and moved on.
SWAN: So what will happen now, what happens now? It can't just float away?
PLIBERSEK: No. I think Michaelia Cash, if she had any decency, she would walk down to Bill Shorten's office and face these young women and say ‘Look really sorry I've made doing your jobs harder. Sorry. Didn't mean to.’ She could stand up in the Senate Chamber when it next sits, they've still got Senate Estimates on this week, she could go back into the Committee that she made the horrible allegations in and use that as an opportunity to apologise. But however it happens she just should apologise, a proper apology.
JONATHAN BROWN, PRESENTER: Tanya what's Malcolm Turnbull going to do? Would he reprimand her publicly?
PLIBERSEK: I don't know. But this does come on the back of him saying just a couple of weeks ago - he changed the Prime Ministerial Code of Conduct because he said this needs to be a more respectful environment for women to work in, and one of his senior Ministers comes out and does something like this. I mean under the Prime Ministerial Code of Conduct perhaps he can pull her into line. It would be great if he showed that leadership and did it.
SWAN: Agreed. Agreed. Hey thanks for joining us.
PLIBERSEK: It's a pleasure. Any time.
SWAN: Deputy Leader of the Opposition and good bird, Tanya Plibersek.
PANG: We got serious there for a bit, we were like a political show as well.