Doorstop Interview

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THE HON TANYA PLIBERSEK MP

DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION

SHADOW MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

 

 

E&OE TRANSCRIPT

DOORSTOP INTERVIEW

THURSDAY, 10 JULY 2014

SYDNEY

 

Subject/s: Julie Bishop’s china comments; Climate change; Indonesia.

 

TANYA PLIBERSEK, DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION: Good morning everyone and thanks for joining me here this morning. I was a bit dismayed this morning to wake up to a front-page newspaper story in the Sydney Morning Herald from the Foreign Minister suggesting that we needed to move away from one of our friends in the region to be closer to the other. This has been a continuing theme in the Government's foreign policy recently - this zero-sum game approach to our friendships in the region. I think it's very important to understand that when talking about Australia's foreign policy interests, it's very clear that our best interests are served by having a close relationship with China and a close relationship with Japan. Our best interests are reflected in close relations with both of our good friends, China and Japan, and also by efforts on our part to ensure that China and Japan better understand one another and that the relationship between those two very significant partners is a good one. I think it's very important to understand that Australia's foreign policy has to put Australian interests first and Australian interests are best served by having a good relationship with China and a good relationship with Japan, not by choosing one friend over another. I think the comments today reflect loose language that is quite counterproductive. It's important to understand that there's a big difference between being a foreign policy commentator and being the Foreign Minister of Australia. The role of the Foreign Minister of Australia is to shepherd our relations with all of our neighbours, to ensure that Australia's best interests are served and, as I've said, Australia's best interests are served by having good and close relations with both these neighbours. Any questions?

JOURNALIST: Any thoughts on Clive Palmer's comments today, his push to amend the bill in the Senate before he will allow it to go through?

PLIBERSEK: It's pretty hard to keep up with what's going on in the Senate. It seems to be changing daily. What I would say is that it's good news that Clive Palmer understands that climate change is real and that as a nation we need to do something about it and that an Emissions Trading Scheme is the best design at the least cost for tackling climate change. It's important that Clive Palmer has supported Labor's climate change architecture, the Australian Renewable Energy Agency and so on. What is really quite perplexing is why Tony Abbott won't make clear that the claimed savings from abolishing carbon pricing, the $550 a year he claims families will save, Tony Abbott won't say where this money is coming from and he's unclear about whether he'll end up supporting Clive Palmer in demanding that companies pass on savings. So far today we've heard already that Woolworths, Qantas, Virgin won't pass on any price reductions so where are these savings that Tony Abbott keeps talking about, and is he prepared to actually confirm to Australians that they will save the $550 that he's claiming? So far, Tony Abbott's made lot of big claims about his policies but he's failed to deliver on any of them.

JOURNALIST: What are the biggest challenges that Australia faces when working with China?

PLIBERSEK: Well, I think that the relationship between Australia and China is one full of opportunity. China is a major trading partner for us, a major export destination and also a major source of imports. The relationship with China has improved over many decades and is one of our closest and most important relationships now.

JOURNALIST: So, obviously we need to establish some good relationships, there’s going to be some challenges. What would you say the challenges would be?

PLIBERSEK: Well you know, Australia, no matter how close we are to our friends and neighbours, will not always agree on 100% of the issues that we have in common. There have been times when Australian leaders have, for example, raised human rights issues with China; Julia Gillard did that, Kevin Rudd did that. And within a respectful friendship there’s nothing wrong with doing that. But I think it’s very important, first of all, to focus on what a good and healthy relationship with China we have, what the relationship can deliver for Australia in the future and certainly not to play these zero-sum game politics where we have to move further from China to become closer to Japan.

JOURNALIST: One last question, so are you concerned that the election stalemate in Indonesia could lead to any civil unrest?

PLIBERSEK: I’m full of admiration for the Indonesian system of democracy. This is a country that has really only– a very young democracy, and yet close to 200 million people will vote at almost half a million polling booths around the country. I think it’s been a very interesting and closely contested presidential election. Of course Australia takes no view on which candidate we hope will be successful. That’s a matter completely for the Indonesians. And I’m very confident that the incredible advances we’ve seen in Indonesian democracy in recent years will deliver a sound result for the Indonesian people. Thank you.

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THE HON TANYA PLIBERSEK MP

DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION

SHADOW MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

 

 

E&OE TRANSCRIPT

TELEVISION INTERVIEW

ABC LATELINE

WEDNESDAY, 9 JULY 2014                 

 

SUBJECT/S:

TONY JONES, PRESENTER: To discuss the situation with those Sri Lankan asylum seekers and other developments in the region we were joined just a short time ago in the studio by the Deputy Opposition Leader and Shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs, Tanya Plibersek.

Tanya Plibersek, thanks for joining us.

TANYA PLIBERSEK, OPPOSITION FOREIGN AFFAIRS SPOKESWOMAN: Thanks.

JONES: Do you agree with Senator Hanson-Young that the 153 asylum seekers held in limbo on the high seas is Tony Abbott's Tampa?

PLIBERSEK: Well look, obviously we have concerns for the welfare of these people. They have been at sea for some weeks now.

And what concerns us too is the culture of secrecy that's developing from this Government. We need to find out details about these people from the High Court, from the governments of other countries. It's completely unacceptable.

JONES: What about this analogy with the Tampa?

PLIBERSEK: Well, I'm not sure exactly what Sarah Hanson-Young means by that. I am concerned about the people, the fact that they're still at sea. And if she's alluding to the fact that India has said that they won't accept these asylum seekers and that perhaps they will be returned to Sri Lanka, then I think, you know, there are some very serious concerns about the type of processing that's been done.

The lack of detail about the type of processing, the lack of detail of the condition of the people onboard, who's onboard, whether they do have a claim for asylum or not: all of these are questions that, really, our Government should be sharing with the Australian people.

JONES: Is it clear to you, as a statement of principle, that if they have been in India - Sri Lankans living in India and they've gotten on a boat to try to reach Australia - that they cannot be sent back to Sri Lanka if they have sought refuge from there in the past?

PLIBERSEK: Look, I really don't want to get into a legal discussion about this. This is something that our courts are deciding at the moment.

JONES: But non-refoulement is a pretty basic international principle, isn't it?

PLIBERSEK: Well, non-refoulement is a pretty basic international principle. But if people don't have a valid claim to asylum then, of course, we have returned people who have been seeking asylum and be found not to have a valid claim - if they have been properly processed.

JONES: But that's only if they've come from the country that they're being returned to, like Sri Lanka, for example: you did return 1,000 Sri Lankans to Sri Lanka. But if they'd come from India, would you have returned them to Sri Lanka?

PLIBERSEK: Well, I can't answer questions that are now currently being decided by our courts, Tony. If I knew the answer to that, I don't think we'd need to have this issue being decided by the courts.

It is complex and one of the things that is most troubling about it is that we don't know any of the details. We don't know who these people are, whether they've made a claim for asylum, how that's being determined, what their claim is, whether they themselves say that they fear persecution if they're returned to Sri Lanka. We don't know any of these details.

JONES: What do you actually think should happen to them? Should they be sent for processing, as some are suggesting, immediately to Christmas Island?

PLIBERSEK: Well, I think, given the slim reports we have suggest that the boat was near Christmas Island, it would have been a more sensible option to process them on Christmas Island.

I think, you know, there's probably a degree of Scott Morrison not wanting to land a boat on Christmas Island behind some of these extraordinary decisions that we've seen to take unprecedented steps of... I mean, processing en masse by videoconference is one rumour we've heard. Who knows what's actually happening here?

JONES: But what do you think should happen to them? Where should they go?

PLIBERSEK: I just said to you that, given the boat was near Christmas Island, it seems that that would have been a more sensible option.

JONES: Now would it be...

PLIBERSEK: It's reported it was near Christmas Island. Again, I can't say that definitively. None of us know.

JONES: Would it be logical for them to be sent to one of the two Pacific detention centres which the Labor government itself set up in Nauru or Manus Island?

PLIBERSEK: Well, I think offshore processing has been part of our immigration system for some time now and given the boat was apparently near Christmas Island it would make sense to process them there.

JONES: What about the fact that there are apparently 30 or more children onboard?

PLIBERSEK: Of course, Tony, it troubles me or anyone that there are children whose lives are at risk making a very dangerous journey. If it is indeed true that they have made the journey from India, it's a very long and a very dangerous journey. And nobody wants to see parents risking the lives of their children like this.

JONES: But would it be appropriate, given that they're already at sea, for those children to end up in one of those two detention centres, Nauru or Manus Island, both of which have seen violent riots?

PLIBERSEK: Well, I think you do have to ask some questions about how detention centres are being run at the moment.

I think it's very clear that the Government have been very focused on deterrence. And some of the conditions that we would expect people to be held in when they are in the care of Australians, or where Australia has some responsibility: the basic level of treating people with dignity, being able to ensure their safety; I think it's fair to say that not all of these conditions are being met at the moment.

JONES: Scott Morrison makes the point, the Minister makes the point that they are the conditions inherited from the previous government, from the Labor government?

PLIBERSEK: Well, that's simply not true. Scott Morrison has been the Minister for many months now and he has responsibility for the day-to-day running of these centres.

JONES: You mentioned turning back the boats. And after stumbling around the question of what Labor's view of turning back boats is this morning, your Immigration spokesman, Richard Marles, was pressed again today on this issue.

He said, "We've got an open mind in relation to any step that will be taken in the future which helps save lives at sea." Is it now the case that Labor has an open mind about turning back boats?

PLIBERSEK: You know, Tony, the problem with turning back the boats to Indonesia is that it has fractured our relationship with Indonesia.

At the moment we don't have a fully operational relationship with Indonesia. We have suspended cooperation in people smuggling, in military areas, in a whole range of areas. Our businesses are reporting that they're finding it difficult to do business in Indonesia because we've made announcements about what we're going to do - Australia.

When I say "we", I mean Australia has made announcements about what it's going to do on Indonesian soil and in Indonesian waters without talking to the Indonesians. There have been incursions - accidental incursions, we hope - of the Australian Navy into Indonesian waters because of this.

So it is a very serious thing to say.

JONES: You've made that point but I will quickly go back to what Richard Marles says because he was pretty clear about it. "We've got an open mind about what we do, whether we do this sort of thing in the future." Is that a major shift of policy from the Labor Party?

PLIBERSEK: Tony, I think you're getting well ahead of yourself. We're two or three years away from an election. We're in the middle of a...

JONES: It's Richard Marles that said he had an open mind. He's the one who made this case.

PLIBERSEK: And what you're trying to do is dissect every word of a shadow minister and you're not even asking Scott Morrison why he voted against Malaysia.

JONES: Well, Scott Morrison has yet to do an interview on this program since he's been Minister. So we will come to those questions when we get a chance.

PLIBERSEK: So you're going to ask the Opposition...

JONES: Right now we're interrogating the Labor position so I've got to ask you: will Labor's position change?

For example, if the argument against turning back the boats is only that the government is against it in Indonesia, what about Sri Lanka where the government is in favour of it? Would Labor support boat turn-backs to Sri Lanka, where the government says "Yes, that's fine"?

PLIBERSEK: Tony, what we would support is people who aren't found to be refugees to be returned quickly. What we're seeing from the Government now is a culture of secrecy. We don't know whether we're turning back people who have made a claim for asylum. I think it's very important that we focus on what's happening today and what the Government's doing today rather than trying to get an answer from me about what Labor would do potentially in three years' time.

JONES: Well, obviously it looked like there was a shift to... It looked like a shift had been made, at least, in the language about which you talk about boat turn-backs. And so I'm wondering if that's reflected in any policy shift?

PLIBERSEK: I think it would be really important to hold the government of the day accountable for what the government of the day is doing on our seas and in our name.

JONES: Let's continue with questions to you, however, for the time being. Amnesty International claims that all ethnic groups in Sri Lanka continue to face risks of torture in police custody, especially sexual violence where it is pervasive. Do you take their assessment seriously?

PLIBERSEK: Well, I think anybody who has been watching the more than three decades of conflict in Sri Lanka would be very glad that the civil war is over. But I think everybody who is watching Sri Lanka would continue to say that it is very important that we see more progress in the upholding of human rights of all of the people of Sri Lanka.

It was a very bloody and brutal conflict. There were allegations of human rights abuses and, indeed, war crimes on both sides.

JONES: Yes, but we're talking about now. Amnesty International is talking about what's going on now with returnees.

PLIBERSEK: Well, I'm getting to it now. I'm halfway through a sentence, Tony.

JONES: I'm sorry. Well, we're running out of time so I'm sorry to do that to you.

PLIBERSEK: All right. Well, Tony: 30 years of conflict. The UN human rights committee says, and Australia has supported in 2012, 2013, resolutions under Labor calling for an independent investigation into those allegations of abuse.

There are still claims at the moment that there are arrests, irregular arrests and so on. And so of course I think it is very important that we acknowledge that it's very good that the civil war is over but say that the international community continues to watch Sri Lanka for evidence of real progress on human rights.

JONES: Your former foreign minister, as you know, Bob Carr, says such claims from the "refugee lobby", as he puts it, are unsustainable. They're urban mythology. The previous government couldn't find a single case of a returned asylum seeker being abused by authorities. Is he more credible? Is his view more credible than Amnesty International?

PLIBERSEK: Well, I'm certainly not going to sit here and defend what Bob Carr has said. He can come on the show and defend himself if he wants to do that.

I think it's clear that Sri Lankans have been found to have credible claims for asylum in Australia. We have Sri Lankan asylum seekers today in Australia who have been found to be refugees. So for anyone to say that there have not been human rights abuses there is... it's just not credible.

JONES: So it's not a mythology?

PLIBERSEK: Well, Bob was saying, I think if you listened to him on the radio this morning, that asylum seekers that Australia had returned had not told Australian authorities that they had then suffered ongoing abuse. I can't answer for that. That's a matter of fact whether that has happened or not.

But if you're asking me, in a more general sense, have there been human rights violations in Sri Lanka? Yes, of course there have. There was a very brutal three-decade civil war that saw very serious human rights abuses on both sides.

JONES: All right. Okay. We've got a little time left and we'll move subjects. Given China's deep suspicions of Japan and its motives, is Japan's move to abandon its key commitments in its constitution likely to heighten tensions between Japan and China?

PLIBERSEK: Look, I think it's impossible to suggest that tensions haven't been higher in the last few years than they were 10 years ago.

I think that it is important, when the Japanese Government say that they're reinterpreting their constitution so that they can play a stronger role in peacekeeping missions and so on: I think it's important to take those statements at face value.

JONES: Except China is not. I mean, China was invaded by Japan in World War II. Much of its territory was occupied by the Japanese. Japanese troops routinely committed massacres and other war crimes in China. Why shouldn't China be suspicious of Japan's motives?

PLIBERSEK: Well, I think it's fair to say that many Australians also suffered during the Second World War and we don't whitewash that history. We don't paper over it, we don't ignore it. But we have moved to a focus on today and a focus on the future.

Our relationship with Japan has been a very good one for many decades now. We've cooperated on international nuclear disarmament movement....

JONES: I'm sorry to interrupt you but you're talking about Australia and I'm talking about China.

PLIBERSEK: And I'm making the point that Australia has also had difficulties in its history with Japan and we have formed a very good friendship, a very good trading partnership, a good partnership in nuclear disarmament, a good partnership in aid.

JONES: But are you saying, as Prime Minister Tony Abbott appeared to be saying, that China effectively should get over it because it's a long time, 70 years ago? Because the Chinese media have reacted, the official media have reacted very strongly to those statements this evening. They've accused him of crossing the moral bottom line, whatever that means?

PLIBERSEK: Yes. I read those reports in the Chinese media as well and I think what they were taking particular offence at was the suggestion that the Japanese, we admired the efficiency of the Japanese soldiers during the Second World War, or words to that effect. I don't think they were well chosen words.

But I think it is very important from Australia's perspective that we look at what's in Australia's foreign policy best interests. And what's in our best interests is for us to have a good relationship with Japan and a good relationship with China and for us to play whatever role we can in improving the relationship between those two friends of ours as well.

We have some good fora in the Asia Pacific region and Australia has played a role in the past in making sure that our friends are talking cooperatively with one another as well.

JONES: So finally, because we virtually are out of time, what did you make of Hillary Clinton's claim that Australia's economy is too reliant on China and that Australia is two-timing the United States over its relations with China?

PLIBERSEK: I think it's a very interesting thing to say that our economy is too involved in China. Obviously we have a terrific trading relationship with China and it's something that I welcome and celebrate. We've got a very good trading relationship with Japan, too. We've got a very good trading relationship with the United States.

JONES: This is the woman who might well be the next president of the US accusing Australia of two-timing the US over its relationship with China.

PLIBERSEK: Well, I will be delighted if Hillary Clinton as president of the US opens American markets to even more Australian goods and that we can, you know, spread our trading relationship more evenly.

JONES: No, seriously: what did you make of her comments, though? We can address exactly what she said. I mean, what did you make of her comments?

PLIBERSEK: I think what's in Australia's best interests is to have a good relationship with the US and a good relationship with China and I don't think we should be forced to pick. I don't think any of our friends should be asking us to choose.

JONES: Tanya Plibersek, learning diplomacy by the day, evidently. Thank you very much for coming in to join us.

PLIBERSEK: Thank you Tony.

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Sky News AM Agenda with Kieran Gilbert

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THE HON TANYA PLIBERSEK MP

DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION

SHADOW MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

 

 

E&OE TRANSCRIPT
TELEVISION INTERVIEW

SKY NEWS AM AGENDA WITH KIERAN GILBERT

TUESDAY, 24 JUNE 2014

SUBJECT/S:  Peter Greste.

KIERAN GILBERT: Joining me live now here in the Studio the Shadow Foreign Minister, Tanya Plibersek. Tanya Plibersek thanks for your time are you satisfied with the Government’s response in this case?

TANYA PLIBERSEK, DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION: Look, I think it’s very important that both government and opposition join together now to focus on the needs of Peter Greste and his family and his colleagues. I am pleased that the Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister have been speaking to their counterparts. I think speaking directly with the Egyptian ambassador today is a good move, it’s going to be important that those lines of communication stay open and also that we enlist our friends internationally also to put pressure on the Egyptian Government.

GILBERT: So you think suggestions of sanctions are misplaced given the need for those lines of communication?

PLIBERSEK: Look, I think it’s very important now that we focus on Peter Greste and his immediate chance now for an appeal to this sentencing and conviction and I think the most productive thing is to continue to have diplomatic links and frank conversations at senior levels.

GILBERT: When we’re talking about the US and now a relationship with the United States, of course, and I spoke to the Foreign Minister about this, they provide hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to Egypt every year. Why can’t Washington, why can’t the United States leverage that funding to have some sort of influence here?

PLIBERSEK: And indeed when I say that we should ask our friends internationally to help that’s one of the examples of a friend helping that I would hope we would see. It is important though to understand that our words and our actions have to be very carefully chosen now and the focus has to be on what will help Peter Greste and his colleagues in their appeal processes if they should choose to appeal and I expect they will.

GILBERT: Because of course this country has had a fairly turbulent, to say the least, period in the last couple of years, is that the context in which Australian leaders, Government, needs to see it? And I suppose hence the need to tread, to tread carefully.

PLIBERSEK: Look, I think there’s a couple of things to say. The first is this is a relatively new government and so we need to speak at senior levels with the new Government and hope that because they’re a new Government they’ll see a way through this that actually respects the fact that Peter Greste and his colleagues were working journalists in a country reporting on the news not in any way involved in supporting the Muslim Brotherhood or any other organisation. The fact that it’s a new government gives me some hope that there’s room for movement there. It is important now to offer Peter Greste and his colleagues every help and support in any appeal that should go forward and I think it’s premature to start talking about things that actually fracture the relationship between our two countries and make it harder to offer that support.

GILBERT: It’s hard to have any faith though in any subsequent appeal process given the travesty that we’ve seen in the current verdict and the sentencing announced yesterday in the trial process. It was a debacle.

PLIBERSEK: Look, I think it’s clear to anyone who has been watching this that the evidence that was presented to the court is not one that should sustain a conviction, and on top of that, I’m very surprised that there was a conviction in the first place, but the length of that sentence is really quite extraordinary also. I hope that means that there are strong grounds for appeal because the legal case was a very weak one.

GILBERT: We obviously have great focus on this because of Peter Greste, an Australian, and a journalist you know, from our fraternity in the media, watching this very closely but there are tens of thousands of Egyptians facing a similar fate. I suppose we should be cognisant of that as well.

PLIBERSEK: Absolutely and the thing to always remember in these situations is that it was the Egyptian people themselves who rose up against an autocratic government. Many of them marched in the streets at risk to their own safety, many were injured, some were killed. Egyptians have spoken very strongly about the fact that they want a democracy, and a free press is an integral part of any democracy. I am sure that there are Egyptians who are shocked by this outcome as well and we need to make sure that we can convey our shock as Australians to the Egyptian Government and hope that the Egyptian people themselves express to their government that they believe in a free press and that they’ll support any action to uphold freedom in the press of their country.

GILBERT: And you spoke earlier in an interview about your view and hope, and I guess it’s the Government’s hope as well, that the new government will come to this with fresh eyes and hopefully with a result that we want, but is the presidential pardon the only option that as far as you can see a positive outcome here?

PLIBERSEK: Yeah, well I’m not an expert in Egyptian constitutional law but my understanding is that all of the legal processes have to be exhausted and when all of the legal processes are exhausted, there may be an opportunity for a presidential pardon. We need to focus in the short term immediately now, on concentrating on giving a high level of consular support to Peter Greste, and I think the Department of Foreign Affairs has done an excellent job in offering consular support and secondly, should he and his family decide to appeal, whatever support we can give to that appeal process.

GILBERT: I want to ask you one more question, this relates to East Jerusalem, we’ve seen a lot of controversy about the Government’s position on whether it is occupied or it isn’t, with a capital O or not, what is Labor’s stance when it comes to East Jerusalem?

PLIBERSEK: Well, the first thing to say is, this is the problem with George Brandis freelancing at 11 o’clock at night in Senate Estimates. It is- there is a historical fact that there was a war in 1967 and that East Jerusalem, the West Bank, were occupied at that time. There’s no controversy as far as Labor’s concerned, we support a two-state solution, we hope that the peace talks that seem to have run into some difficulties at the moment are resolved positively. We believe that Israel has a right to secure internationally recognised borders but there must also be a viable Palestinian state, and the two must live side by side.

GILBERT: There’s no split within Labor on this issue?

PLIBERSEK: Certainly not.

GILBERT: Okay, Tanya Plibersek, thanks for your time.

PLIBERSEK: Thank you.

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ABC News Radio with Marius Benson

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THE HON TANYA PLIBERSEK MP

DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION

SHADOW MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

 

 

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RADIO INTERVIEW

ABC NEWS RADIO WITH MARIUS BENSON

TUESDAY, 24 JUNE 2014

SUBJECT/S:  Peter Greste.

MARIUS BENSON: Tanya Plibersek, what should the Australian Government be doing now to assist Peter Greste and the other journalists condemned to gaol yesterday?

TANYA PLIBERSEK, DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION: Well, I think the most important thing at the moment is to continue to provide the high level of consular assistance that Peter Greste’s been receiving and to stay in touch with him as often and as thoroughly as possible. Then talking to Peter and his family make a decision about whether there’ll be an appeal to this sentence, what form that appeal will take, and then give him support through that appeal process. Of course it’s also absolutely vital that the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister, the whole of the Government stay in contact with their counterparts in the new Egyptian Government. It’s apparent that the Prime Minister has called his counterpart, the Foreign Minister has also been in touch with her counterpart, that those high levels of communication will continue is very important also. The third area that we need to work on as a nation is using our friends around the world to also speak with the new Egyptian Government and point out to them how highly inappropriate it is to be gaoling journalists who are just doing their jobs.

BENSON: So, the Government’s got it right?

PLIBERSEK: Look, I think now is a time for us as a nation to focus on Peter Greste and his needs.

BENSON: And the Greens are calling for sanctions against Egypt, is that the right way to go?

PLIBERSEK: I think the most important thing is actually getting Peter Greste out of gaol and I would say that continued diplomatic approaches are the, what we should be focused on right now.

BENSON: So, you’re not in favour of sanctions at the moment?

PLIBERSEK: Well, I think the most important thing is putting Peter Greste and his needs and the needs of his colleagues at the centre of any decisions that we are making. What do I think will help him most? I think that the thing that will help him most is to have continued high level open dialogue between Australia and Egypt and between our friends and our allies and the new Egyptian Government as well.

BENSON: Do you think you understand why Peter Greste is being sentenced in this way and the other journalists, what’s going on in Egypt? Because it seems a very complex picture that involves Saudi Arabia as a big funder of Egypt, Qatar with tensions with Saudi Arabia is the home of Al-Jazeera, it seems fairly complex.

PLIBERSEK: Look, I am concerned that there are some elements of geopolitics being played out here but I’m not going to focus on that at the moment or talk about that at the moment. I think what we need to focus on and talk about now is the illogical case that was run against Peter Greste and his colleagues and the fact that as a democracy, Egypt needs a free and functioning press, and this has sent a very wrong signal about the commitment of Egypt to a free and functioning press.

There were many, many Egyptians who went out to protest on the streets about the old form of autocratic government that Egypt had, many were hurt, some lost their lives. In that struggle for democracy, was implied an absolute commitment to a free and functioning press and I think it would be distressing for those Egyptian democracy fighters as it is for us watching in Australia.

BENSON: Turning to Iraq, John Kerry, the American Secretary of State, has been holding talks. He says it is time for Iraq to have a government of national unity. Is it time for the Prime Minister of Iraq, Nouri al-Maliki, to go?

PLIBERSEK: Well, I’m not going to comment on whether the Prime Minister should go, but I think it’s plain to most observers that post-conflict Iraq has not emerged as a multiethnic, multicultural state and that it cannot hang together as a nation unless all of the ethnic and religious groups are properly represented in the Government.

BENSON: Turning to domestic issues, it’s been reported in the Daily Telegraph that Arthur Sinodinos has stood aside as the Assistant Treasurer while corruption proceedings were conducted in NSW at the ICAC hearings that he is not going to be found guilty of any corruption but that he may be criticised by ICAC. Do you believe Arthur Sinodinos should return to the Ministry under those circumstances?

PLIBERSEK: Well, he wouldn’t be top pick for me but this really is a matter for Tony Abbott. He’s made a lot of his ministerial standards and so far he’s lost Arthur Sinodinos to this corruption inquiry, he’s been embarrassed by a number of other Ministers including the Assistant Health Minister dumping front of pack labeling because of her Chief of Staff’s conflict of interest in representing the junk food industry and that these are standards for the Government to explain.

BENSON: Tanya Plibersek, thank you very much.

PLIBERSEK: Thank you, Marius.

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MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

 

 

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TV INTERVIEW

ABC 24 NEWS BREAKFAST WITH MICHAEL ROWLAND

TUESDAY, 24 JUNE 2014

SUBJECT/S:  PETER GRESTE

MICHAEL ROWLAND: For more on the Peter Greste verdict, we're joined by the Shadow Foreign Minister Tanya Plibersek. She is in our Parliament House studio in Canberra. Tanya Plibersek, good morning to you. What was your first reaction when you heard that shock news?

TANYA PLIBERSEK: I think, shocked, appalled. I was very surprised first of all that Peter Greste and his colleagues were found guilty given the very weak evidence that was presented in court, and secondly I really was - just unspeakable, the length of the sentence was truly shocking as well.

ROWLAND: What does it say to you about this so-called transition to democracy in Egypt? Where is that at now?

PLIBERSEK: Well, I think it's very important that Australia and other nations continue to say to the new government of Egypt that a free and fair press is an absolutely intrinsic part of establishing a democracy. We know that a lot of Egyptians fought, some were injured, some even died to end the autocratic rule that Egypt had seen for many decades. They had very high hopes of their own democracy, and they will expect, as we do, the world community, that the new government of Egypt respect not just the democratic traditions of people being able to vote at the ballot box - very, very important - but a democratic ethos in society which requires a free media.

ROWLAND: This time yesterday the Prime Minister Tony Abbott fresh off a phone call to the Egyptian President said he was confident the Egyptian President had listened to his concerns about the Greste case and was adherent to the rule of law. Do you believe the Prime Minister was being a bit too premature with those comments?

PLIBERSEK: Look, I really don't think now is the time to focus on any criticisms of the Australian Government. I think that we need to focus on helping Peter Greste and his colleagues. The next stage, we expect there may be an appeal. We need to make sure that they have adequate legal and consular support during that appeal process, and that the lines of communication between the Australian Government and the Egyptian government remain open, and also that we enlist the friends that we have internationally also to help press the case for Peter Greste and the other journalists who have been jailed.

ROWLAND: The Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says the Egyptian ambassador has been called into the Department of Foreign Affairs this morning. Given the severity of this sentence, do you believe that Julie Bishop should personally be a part of that meeting?

PLIBERSEK: Look, it's not for me to micro manage those issues. I think it's very important that the Australian Government make very clear to the Egyptian Government that Australians are appalled by the fact that Peter Greste and his colleagues have been convicted and shocked by the length of the sentence. I think it's quite appropriate to speak to the Egyptian ambassador to express those views. I'm sure that those views are being made, known also by our ambassador, our Australian ambassador in Egypt to the Egyptian authorities there.

ROWLAND: I want to play you a tape now, firstly to get your reaction and also Tanya Plibersek, perhaps you can take a glass of water, your throat is getting a bit croaky there. This is what the former Labor leader Mark Latham said on Q & A on what he believed the form of action the Australian Government should take, let's listen.

[Recording] MARK LATHAM: In Australia generally we make very poor use of our former prime ministers, and there are other countries in similar circumstances they would send a former national leader in this case to Egypt as a special emissary to plead the case and seek reviews and the like, and it just strikes me as an instance where a Paul Keating, Bob Hawke, John Howard could play a useful role in bringing a special status to Australia's appeal on behalf of Greste and it might get a better result than just sending diplomatic cables.

ROWLAND: What do you reckon, Tanya Plibersek about that idea of a Prime Ministerial special envoy?

PLIBERSEK: I think that's certainly something that the Government could consider. I think it's very important that we continue to raise Peter Greste's case at the highest levels, and whether that's a diplomat, a distinguished diplomat, another distinguished Australian, and also, as I said earlier, making sure that we enlist the help of our friends internationally to also continue to press the case for these journalists. All of those things should be under way or considered.

ROWLAND: Finally, others including the Greens are calling for sanctions to be on the table. Would you favor at least looking at sanctions against the Egyptian Government?

PLIBERSEK: Look, I think the most important thing now is to focus on what will help Peter Greste most, and I think what will help him most is continued strong diplomatic representations to the Egyptian Government, using everything at our disposal. I think it's important, very important indeed, not to prejudice Peter Greste's appeal case, and I think staying in touch in a respectful way at the very highest levels is the most efficient and most likely to succeed.

ROWLAND: Tanya Plibersek, I appreciate your time this morning. Thank you so much.

PLIBERSEK: Thank you.

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ABC Lateline with Emma Alberici

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MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

 

 

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ABC LATELINE WITH EMMA ALBERICI

MONDAY, 23 JUNE 2014

 

SUBJECT/S:  PETER GRESTE

EMMA ALBERICI: Just a few minutes ago, the Opposition's Foreign Affairs spokeswoman Tanya Plibersek joined us from Canberra.

Tanya Plibersek, thanks for being there. Now Peter Greste's been jailed for seven years after a serious lobbying effort by the Australian Government. In fact, Tony Abbott recently spoke to the new Egyptian President. What more can the Australian Government do?

TANYA PLIBERSEK: Look, I think it's important that the Australian Government stay in contact with the new Egyptian government. I know that both the Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister have spoken to their counterparts. Of course that's welcome. The Department of Foreign Affairs have had consular staff assisting Peter Greste in jail. It's obviously very important that they keep up that effort. This is a case, I think, that has shocked us all. The length of the sentence - first of all, the idea that a journalist would be jailed simply for doing his job, and now the length of the sentence, have been quite shocking to Australians.

ALBERICI: Now clearly, diplomacy hasn't worked thus far. Should there be any retaliation against Egypt from Australia - sanctions or reprisals against the Egyptian ambassador in Canberra?

PLIBERSEK: Look, I think the first decision that Peter Greste and his family will need to make is whether they take further legal action, whether there is an appeal against the conviction and sentence. I think the focus really needs to be on those next legal steps.

ALBERICI: But does Australia have the capacity to hurt Egypt in some way with sanctions or in fact sending some sort of a message via the ambassador?

PLIBERSEK: Look, I don't think that's a discussion for tonight. I think the most important message to send tonight: that the Australian Government, the Australian Opposition are united in saying that journalists, not in Egypt, not anywhere should be jailed for doing their job, that we are appalled by this sentence, that we strongly support the immediate release of Peter Greste and his colleagues and that Egypt as a country moving towards democracy must understand that a free press is a very important part of establishing that strong democracy, which Egyptians marched in the street for, which Egyptians actually suffered and even died for.

ALBERICI: John Kerry, the US Secretary of State, made a surprise visit to Cairo on the eve of this verdict. He talked there about press freedom, and on that trip, he actually released half a billion dollars worth of military aid to the Egyptian presidency, which we understand they're using to buy 10 new Apache helicopters. Was that premature, do you think, on behalf of the US Government, given the way this new Egyptian leadership has thumbed its nose at democracy and press freedom?

PLIBERSEK: Well I think it's an indication that the United States is hoping to have a close relationship with the new Egyptian government. And it is important that we keep the channels of communication open. Our thoughts tonight, though, are with Peter Greste and his family, his colleagues and his friends and our focus really needs to be on solving this individual case at the moment.

ALBERICI: Tanya Plibersek, thank you so much for joining us tonight

PLIBERSEK: Thank you, Emma.

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ABC Radio National Breakfast

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ABC RADIO NATIONAL BREAKFAST

THURSDAY, 19 JUNE 2014

SUBJECT/S:  IRAQ, EAST JERUSALEM, DOUBLE DISSOLUTION ELECTION

 

ALISON CARABINE: Tanya Plibersek, good morning.

TANYA PLIBERSEK: Hi Alison, how are you?

CARABINE: Very well thank you. Tanya Plibersek, Iraq has now requested air strikes against militants but Barack Obama is still weighing up his options, does Labor see any role at all for Australia in helping to crush this insurgency if indeed a request is made?

PLIBERSEK: Well I think that’s really a question for the Government, we’ve had briefings as an Opposition on the unfolding situation there and of course we would, if the Government made a specific proposal, be willing to talk with them about what they are actually proposing. It is a very concerning situation, a million people displaced, a humanitarian disaster. I think David Cameron’s suggestion that the idea of a radical Islamic state that would be a potential source of terrorist threat internationally isn’t far-fetched. So we do need to consider the situation very closely but I’m not sure a military action which involves Australia is the first and best response.

CARABINE: But you do agree with David Cameron when he says it is important not to be lulled into thinking the sectarian bloodshed in Iraq has nothing to do with us?

PLIBERSEK: Well I think as international citizens we need to consider the horror that people are experiencing in Iraq and of course also in Syria, of course has something to do with us. We have a responsibility to each other as citizens of the world. But beyond that, do I think it’s a potential security threat in Australia? Of course it is.

CARABINE: And there could be a direct Australian link with what’s going on in that part of the world, there are fears that some of the 150 or so Australians already fighting with ISIS in Syria could cross the border and join the insurgency in Iraq. How big is a worry is the prospect of these foreign fighters returning to Australia at some point and bringing with them all their training and all their hatred?

PLIBERSEK: It’s a very serious risk I think.  When we were in government, the current government also, have taken steps to try to prevent people going to Syria to fight, cancelled passports and so on but of course some people have managed to go there. The speculation, this isn’t confidential information, but the speculation is that it’s 150 to 200 people, those people do return well trained, radicalised and with a degree of sick sort of street cred that allows them to convince other impressionable young people that perhaps going to fight is a good idea or perhaps committing crimes here in Australia might be a good idea.

CARABINE: And there have been calls for increased powers for ASIO to suspend passports at short notice, also revoke the Australian citizenship of dual nationals fighting in Iraq and Syria. Are you of the view that there is more the Government can do to crack down on these jihadists?

PLIBERSEK: Well, I think we have to be very careful when we start revoking citizenship but it is very important that we take this seriously as a threat. I think the Government is doing that. It is right to stop people going to fight with these extremist groups and any other measures that the Government proposes we will look at very seriously.

CARABINE: And one measure that the Government will be announcing today is the $5 million in immediate humanitarian aid for Iraq. Would you expect that to be just the first instalment of what might be needed from Australia to help deal with the situation over there?

PLIBERSEK: Look, it’s excellent that the Government’s providing $5 million of aid. When you’ve got up to a million people displaced from their homes, $5 million is a drop in the bucket. I have been disappointed by the relatively small amount of aid that the Australian Government has provided so far to Syria. I would hope that in both cases, Australian aid is increased and does provide some relief to people who have been out of their homes in Syria for many months to people who are leaving their homes in Iraq with nothing but the clothes they’re wearing, and no food, no shelter, traveling long distances in very difficult circumstances. I think Australians look at the horror that’s unfolding on their TV sets and think, well we can help a little bit here and it’s our responsibility to do that.

CARABINE: Tanya Plibersek, also bubbling away is the Government’s decision to refer to East Jerusalem as ‘disputed’ not ‘occupied’. Ambassadors from Arab countries will meet the Foreign Minister today to voice their concerns, why do you think they haven’t been reassured by the Prime Minister’s statement, his firm statement that while there might be some revised language in play, there’s not been any change to Australia’s support for a two-state solution. Nothing’s been changed on that front.

PLIBERSEK: Well, I think that the fact that Senator Brandis has been out freelancing on this sort of foreign policy issue, a very serious foreign policy issue, is not reassuring. It’s not reassuring for Ambassadors and I think it worries people who understand that loose words in Australia have consequences. Obviously consequences for Australian farmers, they’re worried about $3.5 billion worth of agricultural exports to the Arab League countries. But beyond our own concerns here in Australia, these loose words have reverberations in the Middle East, they don’t help the peace process, you’ve got people who are working very hard every day on the ground to try and build a sustainable two-state solution with a secure Israel and a viable Palestine next door to each other and George Brandis at 11 o’clock at night in Senate Estimates trying to divert attention from other problems that he’s got by ratcheting up the discussions about East Jerusalem and settlements and occupied territories and so on. It’s not a good look for Australia to be moving away from bipartisan, long-held positions, terminology that’s been accepted and used by Liberal and Labor Governments in the past to what Senator Brandis is making up on the spot in Senate Estimates.

CARABINE: But the Prime Minister says the Government is still committed to the peace process and can I ask you how united is Labor in your support for the classification of East Jerusalem as occupied? There is a view that Bill Shorten and the Victorian right are too close to what’s called the pro-Israeli lobby and you yourself coming from the left is unhappy that Bill Shorten has not used stronger language to condemn this change of wording.

PLIBERSEK: Well I don’t know who has that view. Bill and I have an identical position here. We put out statements yesterday that show exactly that. It is important that we continue to focus on the issue of bringing people to the table, Palestinians, Israelis, bringing them to the table and ensuring that negotiations continue for a two-state solution. A safe and secure Israel behind internationally recognised borders, a viable Palestinian state; that’s everybody’s position in the Australian Labor Party.

CARABINE: Now just finally much closer to home. Labor along with the Greens has given the Government a trigger for a double dissolution election. This is just gamesmanship isn’t it? You know the Government’s not going to pull that trigger.

PLIBERSEK: Well we’re not about giving the Government triggers for anything, we’re about saying yes to policy proposals that benefit the country and doing our best to stop those that undermine our standard of living, undermine our health and education systems and in the case of the Clean Energy Finance Corporation and others, undermine the good work that we’ve done to reduce carbon pollution in Australia.

CARABINE: Okay Tanya Plibersek we’ll have to leave it there. Thank you so much for your time.

PLIBERSEK: No worries Ali, thank you.

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ABC Capital Hill with Julie Doyle

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ABC CAPITAL HILL WITH JULIE DOYLE

WEDNESDAY, 18 JUNE 2014

 

SUBJECT/S: foreign aid

JULIE DOYLE: Tanya Plibersek thanks for coming in. Now, Julie Bishop has outlined the Government's new approach to the delivery of foreign aid. She's talking about a focus on the region closer to home on the Pacific. Is that suitable?

TANYA PLIBERSEK: Well, I guess this is a valiant effort to disguise the largest single cut in the Budget as good news. There's a $7.6 billion cut to aid in the Budget, the single largest cut in the Budget and that includes $110 million cut to aid in the Asia Pacific region in one year alone. So talking about a re-focus on the Pacific is a bit rich when we're actually cutting our aid funding.

DOYLE: Should we be looking though when it comes to aid, the limited dollars that need to be distributed, should we be looking at the regions closest to home?

PLIBERSEK: I think that our responsibility of course is greatest in the Pacific and to our near neighbours, that's a principle that I would support. But we're actually cutting funding to those countries. So saying that we're refocussing on the region while we’re at the same time cutting funding is just - it's a contradiction. Also the idea that we haven't had a focus on benchmarking and performance evaluation in the past is just an absolute false understanding of what Australian aid has delivered, what it's been in the past. We've done our own evaluation of Australian aid effectiveness that showed that our aid was generally well spent and well delivered but we made some changes coming out of that evaluation. We've also been evaluated internationally and again that international evaluation shows that Australian aid dollar for dollar is very good value indeed and –

DOYLE: So when she's talking about introducing another one of the elements, is these performance benchmarks, so that there’ll be greater accountability about how money is spent, do you think that's not necessary, that the protections over the way money is spent are there already?

PLIBERSEK: I think that the point is to divert people from the fact that $7.6 billion has been cut from the aid budget. Of course I support aid effectiveness. Anybody supports getting good value for Australian taxpayers' dollars and indeed, you know, that's true of any area of government spending. Every dollar should be well spent. That's a completely uncontroversial thing to say. What is very much controversial though is the $7.6 billion cut to the aid budget. The idea that you can do anything approaching the same amount of good work with the $7.6 billion cut is absolutely false.

DOYLE: When it comes to aid though and we're talking about performance benchmarks, how do you measure what's value for money?

PLIBERSEK: Well, you'd have to talk to Julie Bishop about that. I think that this has been a completely muddled piece of thinking from the Government –

DOYLE: But in the past how did you measure?

PLIBERSEK: In the past we measured it in outcomes, how many children are vaccinated, how many women have a skilled birth attendant, how many more kids are getting a primary school education, how many schools have we built, how many people have we helped lift out of poverty by improving the safety of women to sell their goods in a marketplace in Port Moresby? They are very concrete measures indeed because aid funding delivers real changes in people's lives. It's about their health, education, safety, security, a roof over their heads, the ability to go about their daily lives unmolested. All of these are measurable and all of these achieved excellent outcomes under Australia's aid spending.

DOYLE: Just finally, she's also talking about the involvement of the private sector more. Now the Greens have raised some concerns about that and the way that could play out on the ground. What do you think of that?

PLIBERSEK: Well, there's nothing wrong with private sector involvement in delivery of any service as long as it's actually doing a better job than the 500 people that have been sacked from the Department of Foreign Affairs, and aid…We've got people who have been extremely experienced in delivering aid on the ground and we're saying we're going to get rid of them and we’re going to replace their years of expertise, their connections with local communities, their experience in working with NGOs in developing countries, with people from the private sector. I'm yet to be convinced that that will give us better results.

DOYLE: Tanya Plibersek, we'll leave it there, thank you very much.

PLIBERSEK: Thank you.

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Television Interview From Beijing with Jim Middleton for the World ABC TV

 

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TELEVISION INTERVIEW FROM BEIJING, CHINA

WITH JIM MIDDLETON FOR THE WORLD ABC TV

THURSDAY, 12 JUNE 2014

 

SUBJECT/S: Tony Abbott’s US Trip; Climate Change; G20; China.

 

JIM MIDDLETON: Tanya Plibersek, good to be talking to you. You are in Beijing but Tony Abbott is in Washington. What should he be saying to Barack Obama when he meets him in just a few hours from now?

TANYA PLIBERSEK, DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION: Well, it's certainly not my job to script Prime Minister Abbott's conversation with President Obama. What I expect will be discussed is Australia's changing position on climate change which is obviously causing some consternation, not just in Washington but in other parts of the globe as well.

MIDDLETON: You and the Labor Party have said that climate change should be on the agenda for this year's G20 summit in Australia but aren't there more important, more immediate economic questions, to trouble the world's financial leaders, say, for example, the question of global tax avoidance by major multinationals, Google and others, which are costing Governments around the world billions of dollars?

PLIBERSEK: Look, I think profit shifting and tax avoidance or evasion are very important issues to discuss. There is a very strong reason to talk about them at the G20. But that doesn't suggest that we shouldn't be talking about another very important economic issue which is climate change. Of course climate change is an environmental issue but it is an economic issue too. The cost of doing nothing is too great for the world to bear. Taking action now makes sense because if we don't, it'll be a costlier exercise in the future.

MIDDLETON: I might come back to China and climate change in a moment but before we do, last weekend you called the Prime Minister's Washington schedule embarrassing, you called him a Nigel-no-friends. As it turns out, his dance card is filling up. For example, he has met IMF chief Christine Lagarde. So, perhaps not quite as embarrassing as you might have made it out to be?

PLIBERSEK: Well, at that time the meeting with the IMF and the World Bank had been cancelled and the meeting with the US Treasury Secretary had also apparently been cancelled. And what a proposition, to go to Washington, to have tentatively scheduled meetings with these phenomenally important people and institutions in a year that Australia is hosting the G20 and not to be meeting with them, it would have been quite extraordinary.

MIDDLETON: One of the big problems in relation to climate change leading up to the Copenhagen summit in 2008, one of the flies in the ointment was China's intransigence. You are in Beijing now. How certain are you, as a consequence of your discussions, that China's attitude has changed, that it will be more sympathetic and be a more useful weapon in the fight against climate change when discussions get serious in Paris next year?

PLIBERSEK: Well obviously Jim I can't speak for the Chinese Government but what did surprise me is that in several of our meetings the issue of climate change was raised with us by our Chinese counterparts, including some very senior people in the Chinese Government. They talked to us about the fact that they’ve got several emissions trading schemes trialling in several large cities around China and there is a sixth one about to start shortly and that they're looking to extend that to a national scheme in coming years. They talked to us about reducing the carbon intensity of their economy, they talked to us about increasing the supply of renewable energy in China. Very strong statements about their future intentions. Of course it's not my responsibility to speak on their behalf or to make suggestions about exactly what they'll do but I've got to say I was very pleasantly surprised.

MIDDLETON: Do you get the impression that attitudes in china are changing because pressure is coming up from the grassroots as it were. That because of the very profound pollution problems that China has, that citizens are no longer prepared to have their officials sit on the sidelines, ignore the problem, think it will go away, that they are demanding action and that is genuinely influencing the views of the leadership?

PLIBERSEK: Look I can't answer that question exactly but what I can say is that coming out of the third plenum at the end of last year President Xi Jinping was talking a lot about the quality of economic development in China. That the rate of economic development is important but that quality of that economic development is important too. And one of the issues he spoke about specifically, and it has been raised with us in almost every meeting that I've been in, is air quality. The air pollution in large Chinese cities is obviously a health problem for Chinese citizens and people working here, it's also a break on economic development for a range of different reasons. So I think that the fact that there are grave concerns about air quality here, you can see it just looking out your window most days, has come together with China's desire to be seen as a responsible global citizen on this issue of climate change. Those two things seem to be working together and leading to what I hope will be a stronger commitment next year.

MIDDLETON: Tanya Plibersek thank you very much.

PLIBERSEK: Thank you Jim.

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Radio Interview from Beijing with Chris Uhlmann for ABC AM

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RADIO INTERVIEW FROM BEIJING, CHINA

WITH CHRIS UHLMANN FOR ABC AM

THURSDAY, 12 JUNE 2014

SUBJECT/S: china.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Tanya Plibersek, many of China’s neighbours have expressed concern that it’s becoming more assertive. What’s the sense you’re getting from your meetings there?

TANYA PLIBERSEK: I’ve been very clear in saying to our Chinese counterparts that we see the growth of China as a very good thing, a good thing for Australia, a good thing for our region. I’ve also said very clearly to them that while Australia doesn’t take any position on the territorial disputes that have sprung up, that we are very keen to see a peaceful resolution to any dispute - that our interest in the region is for a peaceful and secure region with free trade routes and so on. And certainly, I think, the Chinese have understood that that’s the bipartisan position in Australia.

UHLMANN: Do they understand that planting an oil rig in waters claimed by Vietnam and surrounding it with warships hardly is conducive to having a good neighbourhood?

PLIBERSEK: Well, we have had discussions about some of the territorial disputes and like I say, I haven’t taken a position on the different merits of the different cases, nor has the Australian Government, nor will the Opposition. These are things for the parties to negotiate in accordance with international laws and norms and it’s very important that they keep talking so that they can resolve these disputes peacefully.

UHLMANN: But of course the Australian Government did take a strong stand over the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands when it criticised the unilateral declaration of an air defence identification zone.

PLIBERSEK: Well I think what you see is in subsequent comments from the Government they have reiterated that Australia doesn’t take a position on the territorial dispute. Certainly I think the initial response from the Government wasn’t well received by the Chinese because there was a misunderstanding that Australia was taking a position at the time. I’ve been clear on this trip and I think the Department of Foreign Affairs has been very clear with their Chinese counterparts that Australia doesn’t have a view on the islands themselves but we do have a very strong view that peace and security are important in our region and that any dispute has to be solved peacefully and through dialogue.

UHLMANN: Do you think, though, that it’s important when China does overstep the mark, and there are many who believe it has done so on quite a few occasions recently, that nations do have to speak up?

PLIBERSEK: Yeah I think it’s very important that if we’ve got a view on something, if we’ve got a message that we deliver it in a way that’s open and frank but also  respectful.

UHLMANN: How do you balance the relationship that we have with China with the alliance we have with the United States?

PLIBERSEK: Well I think the key word there is balance. We have a terrifically important economic and strategic partnership with the United States. We’ve got a long shared history, shared values, shared democratic institutions, they are a very close and important friend for us. But there is no reason for us not to have a very strong and close relationship also with China. In the conversations I’ve had today a number of the senior people from the Chinese government remarked on the fact that the Australian Labor Party, under Gough Whitlam’s leadership even when he was Opposition Leader, was one of the countries very early on to provide diplomatic recognition to China and that they value the fact that we’ve had, for many decades now, an open dialogue with China. It doesn’t mean that we agree on everything, and sometimes there are times when we need to raise issues that we don’t agree on. But that the fundamentals of our relationship are close and open and that the dialogue remains even when there are things that occasionally we don’t see eye to eye on.

UHLMANN: Now you’ve described the Prime Minister as Neville No Friends on some of his trips around the world but in fact his trip through Japan, China and Korea was very successful.

PLIBERSEK: Look I’m always delighted when Australia does well overseas. I think what we’ve seen in recent times is Australia sort of out on its own when it comes to climate change, the world moving one direction and Australia moving in completely the other direction -

UHLMANN: With Canada

PLIBERSEK: And I don’t want to see Australia isolated in that way.

UHLMANN: Well it’s certainly moving with Canada and there may be other countries in the world that it’s moving with as well.

PLIBERSEK: Yeah it’s interesting to see that the two very significant nations economically for Australia, very significant economic partners the United States and China are both talking about taking stronger measures. And indeed a great number of our conversations with Chinese Government representatives talking about their emissions trading trials in a number of cities, the fact that they’ll be moving to a national emissions trading system in years to come and the other measures that they’re taking to reduce the carbon reliance of their economy.

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