TRANSCRIPT: ABC NewsRadio, Wednesday 29 April 2015

 

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THE HON TANYA PLIBERSEK MP
DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
SHADOW MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS
AND INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

 

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RADIO INTERVIEW
ABC NEWSRADIO
WEDNESDAY, 29 APRIL 2015

SUBJECTS: Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran

 

STEVE CHASE, PRESENTER: Good morning, Tanya Plibersek. What are your thoughts at this sad time in the nation’s history?

TANYA PLIBERSEK, DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION: I think of course all our first thoughts are with the families of Andrew and Myuran, their friends, the legal teams that have tried so hard to save their lives and of course our consular and diplomatic staff that have worked so hard on their behalf for many years. But secondly, of course, I think that it’s important that Australia expresses its deep sadness and displeasure to the Indonesian Government. I think many Australians feel very hurt that our pleas for mercy were ignored in this case and very concerned that the legal processes were still underway in this case were not allowed to run their course.

CHASE: Now we are expecting to hear from Julie Bishop in the next little while. I imagine that as the Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister you’ve been kept up to date on developments but it is a testing time in terms of whether there should be a knee jerk reaction to Indonesia. What’s the very least the Opposition think should be done in this circumstance as far as Indonesia is concerned?

PLIBERSEK: There have been reports of course that the Government will consider recalling our Ambassador for a time and certainly if the Government decides to do that we’ll be supportive of that. Other than that, I think it’s important for the Foreign Minister to have the opportunity to lay out the actions that the Government intends to take. We have made a great effort as an Opposition to be bipartisan on this issue and I have to say that I think the Government have done everything they could to save the lives of these two young men so we’ll wait for the Government to make any further announcements.

CHASE: What about the longer term issue of what should be done to try to turn Indonesia’s policy of capital punishment around? The point has been made this morning that while two of our people were executed, there are nationals from other countries as well. Do you see a glimmer of hope that there could be some sort of coalition to try and change Indonesia’s mind?

PLIBERSEK: Well I think it’s not just important to campaign against the death penalty in Indonesia, it’s important to campaign against the death penalty wherever it is. Australia has long been a country that has rejected the use of the death penalty and we would urge not just Indonesia but other countries to abandon this most terrible punishment.

CHASE: Just a personal question, how has it affected you? Did you get much sleep last night knowing that this was coming today?

PLIBERSEK: No, not much.

CHASE: We’ll leave it there but Tanya Plibersek, thank you very much for speaking to us this morning.

ENDS

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TRANSCRIPT: RN Breakfast, Wednesday 29 April 2015

 

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THE HON TANYA PLIBERSEK MP
DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
SHADOW MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS
AND INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

 

E&OE TRANSCRIPT
RADIO INTERVIEW
RN BREAKFAST
WEDNESDAY, 29 APRIL 2015

SUBJECT/S: Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran

 

ELLEN FANNING: First of all, your thoughts this morning following the execution of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

TANYA PLIBERSEK, DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION: Well our first thoughts of course are with the families and friends of these two young men. For them it’s been a decade of dashed hopes and their worst fears realised. The legal teams that have worked so hard on behalf of these young men, the consular staff and Australian officials that have tried to help them, all of them this morning would be absolutely devastated by this outcome, particularly as there are still legal processes underway that should have been allowed to be completed. We support the Government in their decision to recall our Ambassador. We support the Government in their decision to continue to suspend high level ministerial visits in both directions. I think anything beyond that is a discussion for another day

FANNING: How incredible is it that the Government has yet to be formally notified of these executions as we watch coffins come off in ambulances?

PLIBERSEK: Look I think the treatment of the families of these young men and indeed the refusal of the Indonesian Government to deal, I think fairly, with the Australian Government in terms of informing them this morning but over the course of this terrible time has been quite reprehensible. If you saw the footage of the families of these young men being jostled yesterday and pushed around through a crowd, it is completely unacceptable. And of course we’ve had a long and close relationship with Indonesia and we hope our relationship will continue to be a good one in the future but we are deeply saddened and deeply troubled and I understand that many Australians are deeply angered.

FANNING: You added your voice in a very personal way to the pleas, not demands, but pleas for the lives of these young men to be spared and you cited the example of your own husband who spent time in gaol on drugs charges and is a shining example of a life rehabilitated. That was very much the tone, of pleading, how hard is it to watch what we’ve seen in response?

PLIBERSEK: We were pleading for mercy because we knew that the Indonesia President had the ability, or we believed he had the ability to grant clemency in this case and we didn’t want to make this a test of strength for him. We believe that a strong person can show their strength by granting mercy. It is devastating because of course the death penalty robs a person of their ability to repay their debt to society. And in fact the death of these two young men robs the Indonesian justice system of an example of successful rehabilitation within its justice system. It also, frankly, robs Indonesia of an ability to plead for their own citizens, 230 of them on death row in countries around the world. How can it be that Indonesia would expect the governments of other nations to listen to their pleas for their own citizens when they have ignored our pleas for clemency?

FANNING: The Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has declared herself dismayed at Indonesia’s response, not just in pushing ahead with the executions but all the rest of it; the announcement of the timing of this on Anzac Day, a series of what seem to be, or could be interpreted as deliberate slights, calculated to offend. How do you interpret them?

PLIBERSEK: Well I think at the very least, the handling of this has been chaotic and insensitive.

FANNING: That’s a generous description of it. Do you think it has been calculated to cause offence to Australia?

PLIBERSEK: I don’t think today is the day to talk about these things. Today our focus must be on the families and friends of these young men, their supporters and the principled position that wherever Australia can, we should speak up against the death penalty, wherever it is applied, to whomever it is applied. This is not just about our sadness of these young men, although that is the centre of our feeling and our effort today; it is about the principled position that the death penalty is wrong. Mistakes have been made before, if you apply the death penalty, a person can never repay their debt to society.

FANNING: The action we’ve taken today to recall Paul Grigson for consultation, I mean it could prompt a tit for tat response from Jakarta. Do you anticipate that?

PLIBERSEK: Well it is frankly very difficult to predict what the response might be from Jakarta.

FANNING: That’s an extraordinary statement to make after all these decades of relations with Indonesia, that we don’t know how this President and this administration are likely to respond. Do you find that extraordinary?

PLIBERSEK: I find it difficult to comprehend that not only have our pleas for clemency been ignored, that’s one thing certainly, but the examples of insensitivity that you’ve described before are very difficult to understand.

FANNING: All of this has to be weighed against a significant relationship with a significant neighbour, our efforts to combat terrorism, the discussions we have with Indonesia about refugees coming by boat to Australia. Within that context, how significant is this rupture today and how significant can it be allowed to be?

PLIBERSEK: Well I think it’s certainly a time that many Australians feel deeply saddened and angered by the actions of the Indonesian Government but not only do we have a significant strategic relationship with Indonesia as you’ve described, we’ve also got other Australians in prison in Indonesia. We need to consider their interests too. So we will of course work to restore a better understanding between our nations. We have to do that.

FANNING: On the question of President Joko Widodo, and clearly this is perhaps not a conversation for today but how difficult is it going to be during this president’s administration to achieve that rapprochement?

PLIBERSEK: I don’t think it’s a day to personalise any of the sadness that we’re feeling. Our plea to the President was for mercy and our plea was to say to him ‘You can show strength by being merciful’ and of course we’re terribly saddened that he didn’t accept that argument from Australia.

FANNING: I can look into your face now and see how hard it’s hit you and we saw Julie Bishop on television, a woman who’d been up all night very clearly. How hard has it hit you and has it hit your colleagues because Julie Bishop is your colleague very much today?

PLIBERSEK: I think it’s hit all of us very hard and hit many, many Australians very hard too. The people that I’ve been speaking to in recent days and weeks feel so strongly the injustice of two young men spending ten years in gaol, putting so much effort into reforming themselves, putting so much effort into supporting other prisoners including it’s reported in the last hours offering comfort to the other prisoners who were facing the firing squad with them. It seems particularly cruel to spend ten years in gaol and then to have this sentence applied. In our prison system of course they would have expected of course to be seriously punished, but to one day leave prison and have the opportunity of repaying their debt to society. To have that taken from them is I think very difficult for their families and friends to see. I think this aspect of - they are success stories of the Indonesian justice system because they have been able to reform. The prison governor has said so, other prisoners have spoken about the positive influence that they had in turning the lives around of other prisoners. It seems particularly cruel given all of those changes that these men have made in their lives. No one minimises their crime, their crime was a very serious crime. And no one I think disrespects the rights of the Indonesian legal system to take strong action against drug trafficking in their nation. Of course we respect that. But to spend ten years in gaol and then to have this sentence applied does seem like a double punishment.

FANNING: Thank you so much for coming up this morning and speaking to us.

ENDS

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TRANSCRIPT: Sunrise, Wednesday 29 April 2015

 

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THE HON TANYA PLIBERSEK MP
DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
SHADOW MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS
AND INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

 

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TELEVISION INTERVIEW
SUNRISE
WEDNESDAY, 29 APRIL 2015

SUBJECT/S: Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran

 

SAMANTHA ARMYTAGE: Okay Tanya Plibersek joins us now, the Opposition Deputy Leader, Tanya thanks for coming in, horrific scenes coming out of Cilacap this morning.

TANYA PLIBERSEK, DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION: It’s a terrible time and of course our thoughts go immediately to Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran's family, friends, the legal team that’s worked so hard on their behalf and our consular and embassy officials in Indonesia. I think most Australians who’ve watched the footage that we’ve seen over the last few days have been hurt and angered that our pleas for mercy, our pleas for clemency haven't been heeded and indeed what the families of these young men have been put through over the last decade but certainly over the last days and weeks is beyond endurance.

ANDREW O’KEEFE: Tanya, the Prime Minister stated, you know, very emphatically that Australia respects the Indonesian legal system and Indonesian sovereignty. But also very clearly stated that he felt clemency should have been granted in this situation because of the nature of the rehabilitation of these men and the punishment they already suffered. What do you think the appropriate response is in this situation?

PLIBERSEK: Well, of course, we’ve heard this morning that the Government will be withdrawing our Ambassador and continuing the suspension of high level meetings between Australian ministers and Indonesian ministers. I think they are appropriate responses.

We’ve been as bipartisan as possible in supporting the government to plead for clemency for these young men and I believe that the actions that the government have taken to try and get clemency for them and now to show our displeasure to Indonesia are appropriate.

ARMYTAGE: The Government, Julie Bishop Foreign Minister, said that they had heard nothing from the Indonesians, nothing to confirm that these executions had taken place. Now we are seeing the coffins and the ambulances. How would you describe the Indonesians treatment of the Australian Government throughout this?

PLIBERSEK: I think their treatment has been hurtful in the extreme. We are two countries that have had long and friendly relations. We have pleaded for mercy for our citizens, those pleas have not been heard. But in addition to that, to see the way that the families have been exposed in these media scrums, to receive no formal notification, it's deeply hurtful for Australians.

O’KEEFE: The Foreign Minister had said that, you know, in Australia anyway, rehabilitation and the kind of transformation that we have seen on the part of these two men is a fundamental aspect of a successful penal system. When this immediately agony blows over as it is bound to do, what do you think Australia needs to be doing to agitate against the death penalty not only in our region but around the world?

PLIBERSEK: I think that's a really critical point. We are so hurt today because we’ve lost these two young men who it’s reported were in their last hours comforting the other prisoners who had clearly done the wrong and stupid and damaging thing a decade ago but had spent those 10 years in jail reforming themselves and repaying their debt to society. They tell the story that reform is possible. The death penalty wipes out the opportunity of reform. We should say, not just to Indonesia but to every country that still has the death penalty, that sometimes mistakes are made. For that reason alone, we shouldn't have the death penalty but secondly, the death penalty wipes out the opportunity of reform and repaying a debt to society and it's a sentence not just for these two young men but for everyone who loves them.

O’KEEFE: Indeed, indeed.

ARMYTAGE: Okay, alright, Tanya Plibersek, thank you for your time this morning. We appreciate you coming in.

ENDS

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TRANSCRIPT - ABC AM, Monday 27 April 2015

 

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THE HON TANYA PLIBERSEK MP
ACTING LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
SHADOW MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS
AND INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

 

E&OE TRANSCRIPT
RADIO INTERVIEW
ABC AM
MONDAY, 27 APRIL 2015

SUBJECTS: Earthquake in Nepal; Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran; Marriage equality

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN (PRESENTER):  Shadow Foreign Minister and she joins me now. Tanya Plibersek, welcome to the program.

TANYA PLIBERSEK (ACTING LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION): Michael, it’s good to talk to you.

BRISSENDEN: We'll get to the gay marriage issue shortly but first to Nepal, obviously this is a terrible tragedy unfolding there?

TANYA PLIBERSEK: Well, it's the shocking and as the hours pass the death toll rises. Yesterday in the first reports we were talking about 1300 lives lost. We already look to be close to double that number. Of course, if there are further aftershocks the concern is that the death toll might increase even more. It's very hard obviously to get reliable information. The area affected is quite isolated anyway and with roads and power out as well it's difficult to get certain information.

BRISSENDEN: And just quickly on the Bali Nine, you've spoken to the families of both Chan and Sukumaran in the past. Have you spoken to them since they were given the 72 hours notice?

PLIBERSEK: I have spoken to their families in the past and I have spoken to their lawyers as well. We have regular contact. They are obviously very concerned about being given the 72 hours notice and particularly as the legal processes are not yet complete.

As the Foreign Minister said on your program a moment ago, there is of course a constitutional court matter that is still pending and of enormous concern is this issue within the Judicial Commission where very serious allegations have been made about impropriety during the sentencing or before the sentencing. It is absolutely completely unacceptable for this sentence to be carried out while those legal matters are still pending.

We have said all along that we hoped that the Indonesian President would show clemency in this case but whether or not he is prepared to show clemency, at the very least we would expect all of the legal processes to be allowed to be completed before this sentence is carried out. What would it be like, Michael, if these legal processes find that there have been irregularities in the sentencing and these young men have already lost their lives?

BRISSENDEN: There have been obviously a lot of top-level diplomatic appeals to the President directly. He doesn't seem to be listening, does he?

PLIBERSEK: He doesn't seem to be listening to top-level appeals from Australia or from other nations. Sadly, he's also not listening to public opinion in his own country. There are very many Indonesians saying now that it is a very serious issue to proceed with these sentences before the legal processes are complete. There was an article in the Jakarta Globe, again critical of the point that the President seems to be trying to make, that he can't be swayed by international pressure.  And I think it's important to note that this domestic pressure against the death penalty in Indonesia is at least in part, because as we have always said, it is impossible for Indonesia to argue for its own citizens on death row in countries around the world while it is carrying out these sentences against not just Australians but the nationals of many other nations within Indonesia.

BRISSENDEN: What are the consequences to our relationship if this goes ahead?

PLIBERSEK: I think it's important not to start talking about potential consequences yet. Our focus today and in the coming days needs to be 100 per cent on asking the President of Indonesia, pleading with him indeed, to show clemency or at the very least to allow these legal processes to be seen to their conclusion.

BRISSENDEN: Let's move to the issue of gay marriage. In 2011 the ALP national conference voted 208 to 184 to allow MPs and Senators the right to opt out if it came to a vote in parliament. Do you have the numbers to overturn this?

PLIBERSEK: That's something we'll determine over coming months and when we get to conference.

BRISSENDEN: Why should they be compelled then?

PLIBERSEK: Because in our national platform, issues like abortion and euthanasia, that people consider to be issues of life or death, allow a conscience vote for ALP members. This is not that type of issue. This is an issue about legal equality, and marriage of course for some people is a religious sacrament but for many, many people it is, as well as that or indeed instead of that, it is a legal agreement, it's an acknowledgment by our community of the rights and responsibilities that a permanent relationship presents and I think when you're talk about an issue like this, which is an issue of legal discrimination it is important for the Labor Party to say, "We don't agree with legal discrimination."

BRISSENDEN: You would have seen your colleague Catherine King on the weekend suggesting that compelling MPs to do this risks becoming a distraction from the whole issue. Is this a fight you don't need to have?

PLIBERSEK: Obviously Michael, it's not on the same scale as the issue of the loss of life of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, it's not like the earthquake in Nepal, I'm not saying it's the most important issue in the world but when presented with the question: do we support legal discrimination or do we not? I think the answer has to be we don't.

BRISSENDEN: Tanya Plibersek, thanks very much for joining us.

ENDS

 

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TRANSCRIPT - Doorstop interview, Sunday 26 April 2015

 

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THE HON TANYA PLIBERSEK MP
ACTING LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
SHADOW MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS
AND INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

 

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DOORSTOP
SUNDAY, 26 APRIL 2015
SYDNEY

SUBJECT/S: Earthquake in Nepal; Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran; National security; ALP National Conference.

TANYA PLIBERSEK, ACTING LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION: Good morning and thank you for coming out this morning, I wanted to address two very important and very sad issues today. The first of course is the earthquake in Nepal and surrounding countries and the second, the most recent news relating to Mr Chan and Mr Sukumaran.

Starting with Nepal, the earthquake that has affected Nepal, India, Bangladesh and neighbouring countries has led to tragic loss of life. We hear most recent reports of perhaps as many as 1,300 people having lost their lives. There are also unconfirmed reports of Australians being amongst those. We have been in touch with the Foreign Minister’s office and as of yet there is no confirmed information about Australians.

Of course the very fact that some of these people have been trekking in the mountains means that they may well have been of out of contact in the normal course of events. It becomes much more difficult to contact people or for them to make contact because of the earthquake so if people have concern for family members of friends the best advice is to contact the Department of Foreign Affairs 24 hour emergency helpline.

We’ve also urged the Government to provide any assistance to the affected countries. There are reports already of health services running out of some types of medicines and medical supplies. Obviously we support Australia providing any assistance in that area in logistics or any of the capacities that we have to help after such an immense natural disaster.

Turning now to Mr Chan and Mr Sukumaran, the reports in the last 24 hours or so have not been good. We have been informed that Mr Chan and Mr Sukumaran have been told to prepare for execution. Our thoughts are obviously with them, with their families and friends and those who have supported them through this immensely difficult time. We know that these two men have done the wrong thing; there is no question that Australians are asking that they be allowed to go without punishment.

Their crimes are very serious but for the last 10 years they have done their best to reform themselves and to make a contribution to the jail community that they’ve been living in. We hope that the government of Indonesia and most particularly the President of Indonesia hears the pleas of all Australians for clemency for the lives of these two young men.

No one is asking that they be released, no one is asking that their sentences be revoked. Simply that they be allowed to continue to live. While they live they can repay their debt to society. We also think at this time of the enormous sadness that their friends and family are facing. A death sentence is not just a sentence on these two young men, but on all of the people who know them and all of the people who love them.

There are of course continuing legal efforts on behalf of these men and we hope that the government of Indonesia sees its way clear to allowing those legal processes to be complete. It is particularly concerning to think that these young men might be executed without the legal processes being fully and completely allowed to run their course.

Thank you, any questions?

JOURNALIST: So what should the Government do now that the two [inaudible] should the Prime Minister or Julie Bishop fly over there?

PLIBERSEK: Well I think it’s absolutely vital that the Prime Minister and the Foreign Minster make every effort to contact their counterparts. We’ve been told that the Indonesian Foreign Minister has not been available to speak to our Foreign Minister, obviously that is a significant set-back. I would hope that our Prime Minister is making every effort to contact the President of Indonesia and that our Foreign Minister continues to try and appeal directly to the Foreign Minister of Indonesia.

JOURNALIST: If this goes ahead will this mark a particularly low point in Australia-Indonesia relations?

PLIBERSEK: I think that it’s very important at this time not to speculate on what might happen after if this sentence is actually applied, as we’ve been warned it will be. I think the time now is actually to focus on what we might do to delay the application of this sentence. Any conversations about what comes after, should come after.

JOURNALIST: After so many pleas with Indonesia did you think that there might have been a better outcome?

PLIBERSEK: I had hoped, I had hoped every day that the efforts that had been made by the Government, by the Opposition, by many Australian business people, by all sorts of Australians who have relations with Indonesian organisations and individuals might have had some success.

JOURNALIST: I understand there’s a French man that’s been taken off the list because his case is still running its course, so our own two men, what’s the difference there? Why can’t that be changed for our two guys?

PLIBERSEK: Look, I can’t answer that question. I would say, as I have said all the way along, it is unacceptable that while there are still legal processes underway that this sentence should be carried out and Australia urges Indonesia to allow all of the legal processes to be completed.

JOURNALIST: Are there any further bargaining chips that you would like the Government to be sort of putting on the table in the hope that it might make a difference?

PLIBERSEK: I think our best hope is to appeal to the Indonesian President to show mercy. I think it’s clear that Indonesia sees this as a matter of legal sovereignty, the President has made that very clear, and of course we respect the laws of Indonesia. But just as Indonesia pleads for the lives of its citizens on death row around the world, just as they urge clemency, just as they advocate on behalf of their people, so do we advocate for our citizens and say that the death penalty is not acceptable. Not for Mr Chan and Mr Sukumaran, not for anyone, anywhere. I believe that it seriously damages the ability of Indonesia to plead for its own citizens internationally when it is ignoring the pleas of countries such as Australia for the lives of our citizens.

JOURNALIST: In terms of Nepal, should Australia be providing immediate assistance there?

PLIBERSEK: Well, of course we should do whatever we can to help the people of Nepal. There have been reports that we are sending logistics teams and other support, that’s a very good first step. But as we see the scale of the unfolding disaster if there is more we can do to assist of course we should do that. Many Australians have visited Nepal over the years, many have a strong affection for the country and we should of course do whatever we can to assist Nepal, India and Bangladesh, all of them affected by this terrible natural disaster.

JOURNALIST: How concerned are you that there are reports that Australians are missing?

PLIBERSEK: Well I think it’s very important to get as much information as we can. It’s very difficult to get that information at this stage. There have been reports of landslides, we are as I said in contact with the Office of the Minister for Foreign Affairs and as yet we are told that there are no confirmations that Australians are amongst that death toll. But if people have friends or relatives who are travelling in Nepal or in the region at the moment making sure that DFAT is aware of those travels and any travel plans that are available is very important.

JOURNALIST: On the issue of the Australia doctor who appeared in IS propaganda video, now that he has been identified as an Adelaide man do you think that the AMA should be taking measures to strike him off?

PLIBERSEK: Well I think it’s completely unacceptable for any Australian citizen to be advocating on behalf of an organisation that kills, rapes, sells people into slavery. If it is confirmed that this man has appeared in this video then I’m sure the full force of the law will be used against him.

JOURNALIST: The Greens are saying that Australia should be, the Government should be applying more preventative measures rather than always focusing on punishment, do you think that there is enough being done to stop people like this going in the first place?

PLIBERSEK: Look I think it’s important to do both. We need to have a strong security system that keeps Australians safe. There is obviously a real threat in Australia. There have been terrorist plots disrupted in Australia, we cannot be complacent. On the other hand of course it’s much better if we can prevent people being radicalised and supporting organisations that are terrorists’ organisations.

The Government some time ago committed money to a preventing radicalisation style program. First of all, Labor had such a program - the current government cut finding to it, they’ve restored some of that funding - but it is unclear yet whether any of that money’s been spent. There was, some weeks ago, none of that money had yet been spent.

Okay, thanks everyone.

JOURNALIST: Can I just ask ahead of the ALP Conference will you be pushing for all members of Caucus to be bound to vote along the lines of the party platform and vote in support of gay marriage instead of the conscience vote?

PLIBERSEK: Look, we’ve got a number of very serious stories before us today and people’s lives under threat so I’m not going to go into a detailed conversation about ALP National Conference which is several weeks away. What I would say is that I’m on the record and have been for a long time as a supporter of marriage equality and I think it’s, obviously it will come up at Conference, but that’s a discussion for another day.

Thank you.

ENDS

 

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TRANSCRIPT - ABC Radio National Breakfast, Thursday 2 April 2015

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THE HON TANYA PLIBERSEK MP
DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
SHADOW MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

 

E&OE TRANSCRIPT
RADIO INTERVIEW
ABC RADIO NATIONAL BREAKFAST
THURSDAY, 2 APRIL 2015

SUBJECT/S: Foreign policy; Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank; pensions; NSW election.

FRAN KELLY, PRESENTER: You’ve set out in a speech this week Labor’s broad approach to foreign affairs, you delivered the speech to something called the Melbourne Forum, and in it you criticised the Abbott Government’s approach as being transactional and short term. What do you mean by that?

TANYA PLIBERSEK, DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION: I mean that they’re a bit focused on the inbox rather than thinking about how our world is going to change over the next ten years or the next fifty years and thinking about how we can position Australia best in that changing world. I also think it’s important that we continue to be values-based in our approach to foreign affairs and that means being a supporter of multilateral institutions, a rules-based international system. I hadn’t seen much evidence of that from the Abbott Government either. Last week Julie Bishop said that she was going to seek another term on the Security Council for Australia –

KELLY: Well that’s supportive of multilateral institutions.

PLIBERSEK: It’s fantastic and that’s why we supported it. But if you recall when they were in Opposition, the Liberals said that it was vain and a waste of money for Australia to pursue a seat on the Security Council and yet you look at the benefits of our involvement in the Security Council –

KELLY: So they’ve been persuaded?

PLIBERSEK: I hope they’ve been persuaded and I hope that it signals that they’re going to have greater involvement with these international institutions but if you look at the position on the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank and if you look at our position on climate change, you’ve got the United States, China, Europe already signalling what their targets are going to be post 2020 going into the climate change conference in Paris later this year and Australia once again holding back and isolating itself from this global trend.

KELLY: When you’re accusing the Government of being a bit transactional, or as you say a bit focused on the inbox, to be fair the inbox has been pretty full since this Government came to power. We had the downing of MH370, Russia’s aggression in Ukraine, the rise of ISIS. These crises have blown up, the Government’s had to deal with them, that’s kept the Foreign Minister - no one can accuse the Foreign Minister Julie Bishop of not being very busy.

PLIBERSEK: No, I think it is absolutely vital that we deal with each of those important issues in the most sensible and appropriate way. That’s not my criticism. My criticism is if you don’t look long term and if you don’t look for the solutions that underpin those individual instances then you can’t build a more peaceful and prosperous world long term. If you’re dealing with each instance as it comes up, that’s important to do. But what you have to do is look ahead, plan ahead and work for the long term future peace and prosperity of our country and our region. And that means, in the case of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, for example, accepting that China, as it grows in economic power, will expect to have a greater say in the multilateral institutions that sprung up mostly after the Second World War, like the IMF. When the US Senate blocks China having a greater say in the IMF or these other international institutions, it is not surprising that China seeks to establish its own infrastructure investment bank. How are we –

KELLY: But that is the point the Government’s come to, isn’t it?

PLIBERSEK: Yeah about six months too late –

KELLY: Too late for what?

PLIBERSEK: About six months too late to influence the direction of the bank from the ground level. Our best interests as a nation are served by having a great relationship with the United States and a great relationship with China. And for some inexplicable reason we have been told, or in fact not even told, it’s been hinted that the United States didn’t want Australia to sign up to this. Well, we need to make decisions that are in our best interests and in our long term interests and that means engagement, deep engagement in our region and a strong relationship with the United States but a relationship, as Kevin Rudd said, of alliance not compliance.

KELLY: But nobody would like Australia to be at the beck and call of anybody, America or China. Sure, the Government has taken some time to sign up to the China Bank, if we can shorthand it to that, but they have done it. We asked the Trade Minister Andrew Robb whether you know not getting in at the first blush was going to reduce influence. He’s adamant it’s not going to, why are you so sure it will?

PLIBERSEK: What would you expect him to say, Fran? ‘Yes, we stuffed it up’?

KELLY: But tell my why it will do that.

PLIBERSEK: Because we are one of the last countries to join on the very last day that membership in the initial round was open. I think the very strong signal that has sent, not just to China but to allies in our region and friends in our region, is that we are biddable. And we shouldn’t be. We should be sending a very strong message that we will do what is in Australia’s long term interests and that includes massive infrastructure investment in our region. We had a meeting of the G20 in Brisbane, which incidentally also the Opposition were sceptical and critical of before they became the Government - we had a meeting of the G20 in Brisbane where our own Government was saying what our region lacks is substantial infrastructure investments. We have an opportunity to partner with China to say we want that initial $50 billion and then $100 billion investment in infrastructure in our region and we want to be part of setting the parameters of how that money is spent. So we want to be in on the ground floor talking about the institutional arrangements of the bank, transparency, accountability, how decisions are made about how that very important new funding is spent, and instead we’re running along after the pack.

KELLY: Can I ask you on a couple of other issues? Pensions in the news still - have been pretty much since the last budget in May. Scott Morrison seems to be a bit keen on a proposal by ACOSS to limit eligibility to the age pension, talking about changing the assets test, for instance. He says he’ll speak to the cross benchers about this. Is it something Labor would consider supporting? Is it a good idea?

PLIBERSEK: Well the first thing to say is it’s a very clear broken promise. Tony Abbott said in that famous interview on the night before the election ‘no cuts to health, no cuts to education, no cuts to the ABC or SBS, no change to pensions and no new taxes’ and –

KELLY: It might be a broken promise but is it fair that people, couples with wealth in excess of $1.1 million in addition to the family home can access some of the pension?

PLIBERSEK: It just troubles me that the first thing Scott Morrison goes to is pensions. We’ve said as a Labor Opposition that if they’re interested in looking at people with very high superannuation balances that we’re prepared to look at whether we can support something in that area. Remember when we were in government, we tried to move on people with balances of more than $2 million in their super and the Liberals backed that. It troubles me that the first thing they start looking at is pensions, particularly when they’ve said no change to pensions and particularly when their first proposal was in fact to cut the indexation rate of pensions which would’ve taken the average pension down by $80 a week within ten years. So, we don’t have a specific proposal from Scott Morrison, you know he’s –

KELLY: No, this is not a new idea though. The Grattan Institute has been talking about this for a long time. Labor must have looked at this.

PLIBERSEK: He’s free to put to us a proposal and of course we’ll have a look at it. But it troubles me that they reversed our measures on multinational tax that was a couple of billions of dollars, they reversed our measures on high income superannuation, they’ve given up the revenue from carbon pricing, they’ve given up the revenue from mining tax and now they’re running once again to pensioners.

KELLY: We’ve heard from Richard Di Natale earlier on a push for Parliamentary inquiry, a Senate inquiry on the handling of the ASADA anti-doping case against Essendon. Some have suggested that as part of that inquiry it needs to be focused on that press conference two years ago, the blackest day of sports press conference - and some have accused Labor of trying to make political mileage out of that, of beating up the Crime Commission report to make political diversion. You were a Cabinet Minister at the time, was this a political move?

PLIBERSEK: Not at all, it was an interest in making sure there’s no doping in our sport.

KELLY: On NSW election, there’s been considerable soul searching for Labor here in your home state. You lost the election, that’s not a surprise but you also didn’t win back Balmain and the new seat of Newtown which was new, the Greens won those seats. Are the Greens poised to become the natural party of the progressive left, have Labor lost that ground now?

PLIBERSEK: It’s a very interesting result for the Greens because of course state-wide their vote hasn’t budged, it hasn’t gone up, it hasn’t gone down. But the concentration of the vote in Newtown, in Balmain, in Ballina, in Lismore –

KELLY: In progressive seats.

PLIBERSEK: Well, in progressive seats and relatively wealthy seats, I think you have to say, has been very intense. The Green vote in my federal seat has always been high, I’ve always treated it as a marginal seat because the Liberal and Green vote combined together is something that we have to watch. Look, I think one of the things that surprised me when I was on the booths was people were voting Green and you would talk to them about Green policies and they would actually say ‘but that’s alright, they’ll never be able to implement them’. And I think that’s something that we’re going to have to really wrestle with as parties of government, that when your opponents have the freedom to promise anything and never be held to account, that is something that we’re going to have to deal with.

KELLY: Aren’t you also going to have to face the fact that whatever you’re promising, they’re not buying and Labor’s response to that is perhaps not the best way to get these voters back. I notice that for instance there’s been some belittling of Greens voters, the Greens are stealing Labor’s votes, is that a –

PLIBERSEK: Well it’s a democracy. We compete for votes, we don’t own anybody’s votes and I don’t like that sort of language at all. Our responsibility as Members of Parliament is to set out our vision for the nation; how we would address the problems that beset us, how we would make the most of the advantages that we have. The issue for parties of government, like Labor, is that those explanations have to credible, they have to be implementable. When we’ve had independents, minor parties in the past, they have always been able to promise the world because they’ve never been held to account on delivering and I think if minor parties are going to become major parties, then they have to be held to the same standards.

KELLY: Tanya Plibersek, thank you very much for joining us.

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TRANSCRIPT - Doorstop Interview, Sunday 29 March 2015

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THE HON TANYA PLIBERSEK MP
ACTING LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
SHADOW MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

E&OE TRANSCRIPT
DOORSTOP INTERVIEW
SYDNEY
SUNDAY, 29 MARCH 2015

SUBJECTS: NSW state election; Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank; Joe Hockey’s unfair Budget, Bank Tax.

TANYA PLIBERSEK, ACTING LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION: Thanks very much for coming out this morning. First of all, of course my congratulations to Mike Baird on securing a second term. But my congratulations also to Luke Foley on a fantastic campaign. We’ve seen almost a 9 per cent swing to Labor across NSW with a gain of between 10 and 14 seats, it’s a terrific achievement after just one term in opposition and it shows what a united and determined opposition can do to hold a government to account.

JOURNALIST: Were you surprised by the swing at all?

PLIBERSEK: No, I think the swing was pretty much in line with what I expected. Of course I hoped to be pleasantly surprised and I was hoping of course for a surprise win in NSW as we had surprise wins in Queensland and to some extent Victoria. But the size of the swing was pretty much in line with what we expected.

JOURNALIST: The big story in this election by the looks of it is the Greens picking up the two seats outside of Sydney, I think you were talking this morning about how it wasn’t actually that high across the state, but it is trouble for you in your seat, isn’t it?

PLIBERSEK: Well, I think the interesting thing about the Green vote is that it hasn’t changed overall across the state of NSW, they haven’t really picked up as a percentage of the vote, they haven’t really dropped, they’ve pretty much stayed steady. Of course, it does mean between 2 and 4 seats because those votes are concentrated in the inner city and the north coast. It doesn’t really change anything in my seat, I’ve always treated my seat as a marginal seat, I’ve worked hard to win and keep the trust of the people that I represent and I’ll continue to do that.

JOURNALIST: But do you accept that some of those voting demographics are changing and that there might be, particularly over the next four years, even more movement towards the Greens, particularly in those areas and Grayndler as well?

PLIBERSEK: There’s been a reasonably high Green vote in the inner city for some time now and both Anthony Albanese, the Member for Grayndler, and I have treated our federal seats as though they are marginal seats.

JOURNALIST: Mike Baird and Scott Morrison this morning were saying that the result is a repudiation of the scare campaign run by Labor in NSW and that Bill Shorten and the Federal Opposition should take some lessons from that. What do you make of those comments?

PLIBERSEK: Well I think they’re strange comments given we’ve picked up between 10 and 14 seats and a swing of 9% would’ve seen many governments dislodged so while I congratulate Mike Baird, I wouldn’t say that it’s a great source of comfort for him to have lost between 10 and 14 seats. I’d also say it’s pretty extraordinary that on a NSW polling day, a Prime Minister who’s a native of NSW is interstate and it shows just how unpopular Tony Abbott has been in the NSW election.

JOURNALIST: Bill Shorten was in China, though.

PLIBERSEK: Well, Bill Shorten’s a Victorian, he’s not someone who comes from NSW and Bill Shorten has spent more time in NSW over the last few weeks than you would reasonably expect, he’s been here many, many times. Tony Abbott’s been nowhere to be seen. We saw Tony Abbott choosing to be interstate yesterday when he should’ve been here in NSW campaigning with his best friend Mike Baird. If he thought he was any asset to the NSW campaign he certainly would’ve been here and I noticed Julie Bishop was able to make it to NSW last night but not Tony Abbott.

JOURNALIST: There’s been quite a bit of commentary about how nice both the leaders were in NSW. Mike Baird said so about Luke Foley, Luke Foley said it in return. Any chance we’ll see the same level of niceness in the federal campaign?

PLIBERSEK: Well I think we’re all very nice at the Federal level. I think actually, to be serious about this for a moment, I think people have responded to a campaign that has mostly been a campaign about ideas and not personalities. We have seen some notable exceptions and the disgusting campaign against Cameron Murphy is one example of that. I think by and large, people respond to positive ideas and a focus on issues rather than personalities.

JOURNALIST: There are a couple of key Labor people who didn’t quite make it into the lower house who are seen as the progressive face of the Party, I’m talking Penny Sharpe and Verity Firth here. What do you make of the results for people like that in the Labor Party in NSW? Do we need to do something about that?

PLIBERSEK: I think Penny Sharpe and Verity Firth were two of our very best candidates and probably the most disappointing element of last night’s loss is seeing Penny Sharpe and Verity Firth not in the State Parliament. They would’ve made a great contribution to the people of NSW, they both have, they’ve got a proven track record. And of course now the challenge is, if indeed those two seats are Greens seats, to make sure that all of the promises that were made by those candidates, those Green candidates, they’re held to account to those promises in the same way that Labor is held to account for our promises and Liberals are held to account for their promises and we’ll see in four years time what those people have managed to deliver.

JOURNALIST: Barnaby Joyce was saying this morning that the Labor Party is irrelevant two hours any side of Sydney, what do you make of those comments?

PLIBERSEK: I think if you have a look at the Central Coast seats, the Hunter seats, and indeed right up the coast as far as Port Stephens, Barnaby Joyce obviously wasn’t watching the results last night. We’ve done very well outside of Sydney, we look to have picked up a few seats that were kind of surprising, that Labor wasn’t expected to pick up and I think- I don’t know whether Barnaby Joyce wasn’t watching the results last night, but he seems to have missed one of the key elements of last night.

JOURNALIST: Can I just ask you, just moving onto a federal issue, the China bank, why should Australia join?

PLIBERSEK: Labor has been saying since September and October last year that the Australian Government should sign up to the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank. Of course we need to make sure that the governance of the bank and the transparency and accountability mechanisms are strong but the Government itself says that there is a shortage of funding for infrastructure in the Asia-Pacific region. This is starting at $50 billion moving to $100 billion worth of investment in infrastructure in our region critically needed. It’s also a very important opportunity for Australia and China to continue to strengthen our relationship. It’s a very good relationship built over four decades, but this is an added opportunity for Australia and China to work together for the benefit of our region.

JOURNALIST: How much should Australia invest do you think in this bank?

PLIBERSEK: First things first. We’ve had a government that’s been squabbling and leaking over whether they should join. We’ve had a split in the Cabinet that has meant that for six months there has been no answer and no progress on whether Australia will sign up. We’ve seen first steps of an indication that Australia will sign up released in the middle of the state election campaign. I mean, Parliament’s been sitting for five out of the last seven weeks. It is extraordinary that the Government haven’t chosen that time to talk about investment in the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, instead they’ve tried to slip out a press release that they thought no one would notice because they were distracted by the state election. This is a very good opportunity for Australia, Australia should’ve been involved months ago and instead of squabbling and leaking, the Government should answer the basic questions about whether we’ll sign up, when we’ll sign up and how much we’ll contribute.

JOURNALIST: Do you think the caution’s valid though given the concerns about transparency, the US is a bit concerned about who will be in control of the bank? Do you think that the waiting is valid?

PLIBERSEK: Look, I think it’s important to be confident about the institutional arrangements of the bank, but the best way to do that is through engagement with China. Instead of that, we’ve been holding back, a split in the Cabinet about whether we should sign up at all. And you notice that our most important trading partners and frequent allies have actually joined up, other than the United States, a number of our most important international friends have said that they will join up. I think if Australia’s interested in the institutional arrangements, the best way to ensure that they are strong and transparent is to get involved from the ground level.

JOURNALIST: I just have another couple of questions about taxing. Should there be a cut to income tax, do you think the Government should look at that?

PLIBERSEK: Another interesting thought bubble from Joe Hockey yesterday about a bank tax. This is now the fifth new tax proposal from the Government. Today we’ve heard another story about bracket creep. This is all from a Government that said before the last election there’d be no new taxes. We’re now at the fifth and possibly the sixth suggestion for new taxes or tax increases. It’s up to Joe Hockey, instead of floating thought bubbles, to come out with a credible budget. He still hasn’t landed his budget from last year, he should be about to land his budget for this year and instead we’re hearing these extraordinary kind of thought bubbles from the Government about what might happen, what might not happen thrown out here and there. What this Government needs is a credible plan for the Australia economy, a plan that will see increased jobs, and better standards of living for Australians in the future. Instead they’ve got a messy budget with a Treasurer who obviously doesn’t know what he’s doing.

JOURNALIST: And just quickly on the NSW state election again, quite a few Labor women were elected last night as well, that’s really quite unexpected, it’s a good result, isn’t it?

PLIBERSEK: Yeah, we’ve got some fantastic candidates. There’s new women coming to the Parliament like Jo Haylen, like Trish Doyle, like Julia Finn, it looks like we’ll get Kate Washington up. There’s a terrific new batch of- new candidates coming in, Jihad Dib and other fantastic candidates who’ll make a great contribution to the State Parliament but Luke’s quite right, we’ve got a great new generation of women entering the Parliament too.

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TRANSCRIPT - ABC AM Radio, Sunday 29 March 2015

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THE HON TANYA PLIBERSEK MP
ACTING LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
SHADOW MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

 

E&OE TRANSCRIPT
RADIO INTERVIEW
ABC AM
SUNDAY, 29 MARCH 2015

SUBJECT: NSW state election.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN, PRESENTER: Tanya Plibersek, Sam Dastyari, the New South Wales Labor Senator and former General Secretary of the NSW Party said last night that Martin Ferguson should be expelled from the party for what he said about the way Luke Foley conducted the campaign. Do you agree?

TANYA PLIBERSEK, ACTING LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION: Look, I certainly think it wasn’t helpful for Martin Ferguson to make the intervention that he did but that’s something that we’ll discuss in due course inside the Labor Party.

BRISSENDEN: What’s your view of the campaign? Do you support the privatisation for instance?

PLIBERSEK: I’d like to talk about my view of the election campaign and that is that Luke Foley had a very good result last night, half a million more people voted for Luke Foley last night than voted Labor at the previous election, with about a 9 per cent swing to Labor. That’s a very good result and unfortunately we were working off a very low base and it wasn’t enough to win us government.

BRISSENDEN: Should Labor now accept and support the privatisation of the electricity network? Because certainly that was the issue that was front and centre in the campaign, wasn’t it?

PLIBERSEK: Well, it was the issue that was most talked about during this campaign because people are very nervous about electricity privatisation. I think Luke Foley’s made very clear that he will continue to oppose electricity privatisation come what may. I don’t really think how he could credibly run a campaign during a election against it and then vote for it five minutes later.

BRISSENDEN: Even though clearly, the electorate doesn’t think it’s such a big issue or in fact they support the idea.

PLIBERSEK: Well I don’t think you could draw that interpretation. If the electorate are so very supportive Mike Baird will get enough votes in the upper house as well to pass his agenda.

BRISSENDEN: And if it does?

PLIBERSEK: Well then it’ll get through whether Labor supports it or not.

BRISSENDEN: Okay, but then shouldn’t that influence how the Labor Party views the issue I guess, in the next election or in the coming years?

PLIBERSEK: I think it’s important to do what you said you were going to do. And Tony Abbott broke faith with the Australian people, he said before the election no cuts to health, no cuts to education, no cuts to the ABC and SBS, no new taxes, no change to pensions, and by breaking faith on each of those commitments, he has suffered a great deal. And of course the Australian community suffered a great deal as well. If you say one thing before an election, you should do it after an election.

BRISSENDEN: Luke Foley says he’s brought the heartland, the Labor heartland back, but the swing wasn’t as comprehensive as you might have expected, and certainly wasn’t perhaps as comprehensive as many in the Party would have expected in some of the heartland, particularly in Western Sydney, wasn’t it?

PLIBERSEK: Look I think it was around about the swing that most people expected and that’s certainly brought back at least 10 seats, probably up to 14 seats. That’s a very good result after a very bad loss at the last election. It looks like we’ll hold up to 34 seats off a base of 21 seats, that’s a very good achievement by Luke after a very hard fought campaign.

BRISSENDEN: What about the result for the Greens? Because clearly there is still a challenge, a continuing challenge for the Labor Party in some parts of the state, the inner city areas of Sydney and in the north coast of NSW.

PLIBERSEK: It’s a very interesting result for the Greens because of course statewide their vote hasn’t improved at all, their percentage of the vote across NSW was what it was at the last election. But there are of course seats that look like they might go to the Greens, up to 4 seats, so the concentration of the Greens vote are in the inner city and the north coast.

BRISSENDEN: It’s a challenge though, and particularly for you personally given that much of that Green action is happening in your own seat of Sydney.

PLIBERSEK: I’ve never taken my seat for granted. I’ve always treated it like a marginal seat.

BRISSENDEN: How do you address this? Because you are losing if this is the case and the Greens do win 4 seats, that’s a pretty significant loss to you

PLIBERSEK: It’s a trend that we’ll have to look at but it won’t change anything I do, I have always treated my seat like a marginal seat. I’ve always worked extremely hard in my seat so it won’t change my behaviour at all.

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TRANSCRIPT - Doorstop Interview, Thursday 26 March 2015

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THE HON TANYA PLIBERSEK MP
DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
SHADOW MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

E&OE TRANSCRIPT
DOORSTOP INTERVIEW
PARLIAMENT HOUSE, CANBERRA
THURSDAY, 26 MARCH 2015

SUBJECT/S: United Nations Security Council; Daesh; Iraq; Syria.

TANYA PLIBERSEK, DEPUTY OPPOSITION LEADER: I was very pleased to hear reports that the Foreign Minister has said that Australia will pursue a further term on the United Nations Security Council in the future. Our recent term on the United Nations Security Council gave us the opportunity of playing an active role in some important issues, like MH17, like the fight against Ebola, and like the continuing fight against terrorist organisations such as Daesh. Of course, Labor always believed that our term on the Security Council would allow us to play a useful role internationally but also to raise the status of Australia, to show the world that we are able to play an important role using our relationships and our resources to create a more peaceful world. Labor always said that membership of the Security Council would be a good thing for Australia and for Australians. Sadly, of course, when we were making a bid for Security Council membership, Julie Bishop and Tony Abbott and the Liberals were fiercely opposed and criticised the Labor Government of the day. I take a different position, I think this is clearly in the national interest for Australia to be represented on this sort of international forum, that we have played a good and useful role, and that if we had a further term on the UN Security Council, we could do that again. Any questions?

JOURNALIST: On the final push to- well, hopefully the final push to reclaim Tikrit, the US air strikes are underway, what do you think about that? Do you think there’s a chance of success there? And there are expectations that Australia will be involved in those air strikes and also do you think Australia should be involved in the strikes in Syria?

PLIBERSEK: I must say that there have been some comments in the last couple of days from the Prime Minister that have concerned me about Australia’s involvement in Iraq and Syria. Our original involvement in Iraq was on the basis of a humanitarian mission and then an advise and assist mission for the Iraqi forces. What we heard from the Prime Minister yesterday is that our involvement in Iraq has no time frame on it. Well that is actually quite different to what the Government have said in the past, when the Prime Minister has nominated a time frame of around two years and the Defence Minister has certainly clearly said that our commitment is not open ended. So in the first instance, I’m concerned about any suggestion that Australia’s commitment is an open ended commitment. The second thing that concerns me is the Prime Minister’s statements that our involvement may also be supporting operations in Syria. Labor has said all along that while we support operations in Iraq, that without an international agreement, that operations should be confined to Iraq. The third thing of course that has concerned me in recent times are reports of Iraqi army or militia behaving inappropriately in their own- in the battles that they’re engaged in. And because of these three concerns we have asked for further and urgent briefings about Australia’s involvement in Iraq.

JOURNALIST: When was the last time the Opposition got a briefing? Has it been a while?

PLIBERSEK: We have been briefed periodically recently, I would have to check the date for the last briefing.

JOURNALIST: Isn’t it an easy jump to go from air strikes in support of the operation in Iraq to Syria?

PLIBERSEK: Well I think there’s a very clear difference with Iraq. In Iraq, we have been asked by a democratically elected government to help it protect its own people and its own territory from an invading force that is a particularly brutal invading force. Because we’ve been asked for help by a democratically elected government that gives us a very clear legal basis for involvement.

JOURNALIST: You sound like you’re basically concerned about mission creep, is that correct? I mean, are you seeking some assurances in these briefings about how far it will go?

PLIBERSEK: We’ve had four principles that we’ve talked about from the very beginning and one of those principles of course was that our support was confined to operations in Iraq. I think that if this is changing now then it is the responsibility of the Prime Minister to inform the people of Australia in what way this mission is changing and it should be through the Australian Parliament. We have consistently said that the Prime Minister should be speaking to the people of Australia about Australia’s engagement and the best and most appropriate way of doing that is in report to our Australian Parliament.

JOURNALIST: On the possible new bid for a UN Security Council, Kevin Rudd was intrinsically involved, do you think the Government needs to engage him again to get up a second time?

PLIBERSEK: I’m sure Kevin would be delighted to help in any way possible.

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TRANSCRIPT - Sky News AM Agenda, Wednesday 25 March 2015

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THE HON TANYA PLIBERSEK MP
DEPUTY LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
SHADOW MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
MEMBER FOR SYDNEY

 

E&OE TRANSCRIPT
TELEVISION INTERVIEW
SKY NEWS AM AGENDA
WEDNESDAY, 25 MARCH 2015

SUBJECT/S: Germanwings plane crash.

KIERAN GILBERT, PRESENTER: Tanya Plibersek, your reaction to this latest aviation tragedy?

TANYA PLIBERSEK, DEPUTY OPPOSITION LEADER: Well of course it is a tragedy, 150 lives lost including two Australians and sadly a group of schoolchildren returning from a school trip. It is enormously sad for all of the people involved and of course it makes people nervous about flying because there’s been a series now of similar tragedies, planes going missing and crashing and so on. It’s important to remember of course that statistically these are very unusual events, but for the people who are involved, all of their friends and families, that’s no comfort.

GILBERT: Well three, as you say a number, three aviation tragedies that Australians have been involved in in a bit over twelve months.

PLIBERSEK: That’s right.

GILBERT: That’s quite a cluster.

PLIBERSEK: It certainly feels unusually frequent.

GILBERT: And I guess as we look at this latest tragedy in Europe, it’s a reminder of how basically everywhere, Australians are travelling at any given time. Australians, given where we are in the world I suppose, we’re all traveling a lot.

PLIBERSEK: Well Australians are great travellers and they often travel for longer periods because we’ve got so far to go in the first place. We’ve been frequent travellers for some time now and these flights, these Europeans flights are frequent, they’re relatively cheap, they’re commonly growing in number, the smaller airlines as well. And so you see Australians are often involved in these tragedies.

GILBERT: Tanya Plibersek, thank you for your time and your reaction to this latest aviation tragedy, also another sad day. Thank you very much.

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